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are lands colored permanents?

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OhioGuy

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Jun 22, 2009, 1:53:14 AM6/22/09
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If a blue player plays washout, which lets them cause you to return all
permanents of a certain color to your hand, do lands get returned? I'm not
sure if they are considered colorless, or if they are considered "colored",
since they produce a certain color of mana. Thanks!


David DeLaney

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Jun 22, 2009, 12:33:47 AM6/22/09
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No, they are not.

OhioGuy <no...@none.net> wrote:
> If a blue player plays washout, which lets them cause you to return all
>permanents of a certain color to your hand, do lands get returned?

Not particularly.

> I'm not
>sure if they are considered colorless, or if they are considered "colored",
>since they produce a certain color of mana. Thanks!

A permanent's color comes from its mana cost. Lands have no mana cost (and
have converted mana cost zero). So they are colorless, unless something gives
them a color.

A permanent's color is unrelated to the color of mana it may, or may not,
produce using an ability it has.

Dave
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Zoe Stephenson

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Jun 22, 2009, 4:16:39 AM6/22/09
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OhioGuy <no...@none.net> sent:

The color of a card is almost always derived from the mana symbols
that are in the mana cost of the card. For example, Shivan Dragon is
red because you need to spend {R} on its cost.

Lands don't have a mana cost, so they don't get a color given to them
in this way. They're all colorless.

Well, except that a card can say on it what color it really is, as
a characteristic-defining ability, and there's a land that does this:

Dryad Arbor Land Creature - Forest Dryad 1/1
/ (Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and
it has "Tap: Add Green to your mana pool.")
/ Dryad Arbor is green.

I think this is the only one that does this, though. All the others
are colorless.

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David DeLaney

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Jun 22, 2009, 10:08:56 AM6/22/09
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Zoe Stephenson <use...@daeghnao.com> wrote:
>OhioGuy <no...@none.net> sent:
>> If a blue player plays washout, which lets them cause you to return all
>> permanents of a certain color to your hand, do lands get returned? I'm not
>> sure if they are considered colorless, or if they are considered "colored",
>> since they produce a certain color of mana. Thanks!
>
>The color of a card is almost always derived from the mana symbols
>that are in the mana cost of the card. For example, Shivan Dragon is
>red because you need to spend {R} on its cost.
>
>Lands don't have a mana cost, so they don't get a color given to them
>in this way. They're all colorless.
>
>Well, except that a card can say on it what color it really is, as
>a characteristic-defining ability, and there's a land that does this:
>
> Dryad Arbor Land Creature - Forest Dryad 1/1
>/ (Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and
> it has "Tap: Add Green to your mana pool.")
>/ Dryad Arbor is green.
>
>I think this is the only one that does this, though. All the others
>are colorless.

Lands are able to give themselves color through an ability, also; Treetop
Village, and the other four lands in its set's cycle, do this, for example.

But the main point here is that something has to _say_ a land gets a color,
for it to do so; they're colorless by default.

bloodlineS

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Jun 22, 2009, 1:48:27 PM6/22/09
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Or of course if you use Myr Landshaper to turn a land into an artifact and
then put Glorious Anthem in play, cast March of the Machines and top it off
with Neurok Transmuter to make it blue.. it'd be coloured Land too.

Do I win?

-b


David de Kloet

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Jun 23, 2009, 3:29:45 AM6/23/09
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On Jun 22, 7:53 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
>   If a blue player

Lands don't have colors nor do players :-).

David

David DeLaney

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Jun 23, 2009, 11:21:36 AM6/23/09
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:48:27 +0100, bloodlineS <a...@me.com> wrote:
>"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
>> Zoe Stephenson <use...@daeghnao.com> wrote:
>>>I think this is the only one that does this, though. All the others
>>>are colorless.
>>
>> Lands are able to give themselves color through an ability, also; Treetop
>> Village, and the other four lands in its set's cycle, do this, for example.
>>
>> But the main point here is that something has to _say_ a land gets a color,
>> for it to do so; they're colorless by default.
>
> Or of course if you use Myr Landshaper to turn a land into an artifact and
>then put Glorious Anthem in play, cast March of the Machines and top it off
>with Neurok Transmuter to make it blue.. it'd be coloured Land too.
>
> Do I win?

Hmmm. Needs some text-changing effect as well, so that its name no longer
matches its land type. And a delayed triggered effect to make it CATCH FIRE

dave n ant

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Oct 17, 2009, 1:42:29 PM10/17/09
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>> Lands are able to give themselves color through an
>> ability, also; Treetop Village, and the other four lands
>> in its set's cycle, do this, for example.
>>
>> But the main point here is that something has to _say_ a
>> land gets a color,
>> for it to do so; they're colorless by default.
>>
>> Dave

Not to disagree but to add... Painter's Servant would give a
land a color (in addition to any other colors it might have for
whatever reason), and that whole group of blue creatures from a
while back (Onslaught?) that had an ability to change the colors
of things (or a thing) for a time. -dna

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