Unlimited Icy Manipulator...
Greg Herrold
Im just curious on how powerful this card really is... It has to be
banned/restricted...something.
Is there a certain way the Unlimited Icy Manipulator has to be played?
Thanks! ~Greg
gher...@uni.edu
Lee Sharpe
On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Greg Herrold wrote:
> This is my first post on this board...
> Im just curious on how powerful this card really is... It has to be
> banned/restricted...something.
>
Icy Manipulator is restricted in type 1, and thus banned in type 1.5.
> Is there a certain way the Unlimited Icy Manipulator has to be played?
Icy Manipulator
4
Artifact
1,T: Tap target artifact, creature, or land.
It has to be played like it says on the card. Any particular question?
-- Lee Sharpe
Greg Herrold
heres what it reads.
1: You may tap any land, creature, or artifact in play on either side. No
effects are generated by the target card.
So...say I target a millstone...can it even do its fast effect? and the
fact that the artifact doesnt have to tap to do its effect... its evil!
~Greg
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Jeff Heikkinen
> The Unlimited Icy Manipulator Doesnt have to tap...
>
> heres what it reads.
> 1: You may tap any land, creature, or artifact in play on either side. No
> effects are generated by the target card.
>
> So...say I target a millstone...can it even do its fast effect?
No. First of all, there hasn't been any such thing as a "fast effect"
for nearly three years, now.
More importantly, all this does is cause the target to become tapped. It
does not cause any of its effects to occur - that happens only if the
controller of a permanent deliberately taps it to pay its cost. There is
no way to pay a cost by accident.
You'll notice that this particular version of the card even specifically
says this. You quoted it yourself - "No effects are generated by the
target card." (This would be considered reminder text these days, by the
way - the card doesn't have to specifically say that to work that way).
Note that if Millstone said "Whenever Millstone becomes tapped..." this
trick would work. There are a few cards that are worded this way, like
Goblin Medics.
> and the
> fact that the artifact doesnt have to tap to do its effect... its evil!
Incorrect. You'll notice its type is "Mono Artifact". This is a Very
Old Wording that basically means that tapping the artifact is part of its
activation cost. (Why don't they just have a Tap symbol? Becuase it
didn't exist yet!)
By the way, there is *never* a functional difference between different
printings of the same card, no matter what is printed on the card. You
always go by the latest wording, which can be found in the Oracle, at
http://www.wizards.com/DCI/main.asp?x=Oracle .
Michelle
printing of the card.
Icy Manipulator
4
Artifact
1,T: Tap target artifact, creature, or land.
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Please don't top-post :)
> The Unlimited Icy Manipulator Doesnt have to tap...
>
> heres what it reads.
> 1: You may tap any land, creature, or artifact in play on either side. No
> effects are generated by the target card.
It doesn't matter what is actually printed on the card. The current
card text is _always_ the Oracle text, which Lee provided.
> So...say I target a millstone...can it even do its fast effect? and the
> fact that the artifact doesnt have to tap to do its effect... its evil!
It _would_ be evil. Luckily, it doesn't work that way :)
> ~Greg
>
> "Lee Sharpe" <sha...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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>> Icy Manipulator
>> 4
>> Artifact
>> 1,T: Tap target artifact, creature, or land.
Chyron
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Jeff Heikkinen
>
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Greg Herrold wrote:
>
> > This is my first post on this board...
> > Im just curious on how powerful this card really is... It has to be
> > banned/restricted...something.
> >
>
> Icy Manipulator is restricted in type 1, and thus banned in type 1.5.
It hasn't been restricted for at least six years. It was for a few
months waaaay back in '94 and/or '95, I know that, but it certainly isn't
now. Note that it was never banned in type 1.5 because the period when
it was restricted was so long ago that there was no type 1.5!
For the current floor rules, including the banned/restricted lists, check
out:
http://shadow.wizards.com/dci/downloads/Magic_Floor_Rules_Oct14_2.doc
Greg Herrold
A group of us just started playing again, I havent played since 95. :-)
Thanks for your help! ~Greg
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Ryan Stapleton
there were tap symbols, the mono ment that it had to tap once you used it.
Its still a good card tho! just not quite that evil.
-Ryan
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David DeLaney
>This is my first post on this board...
>Im just curious on how powerful this card really is... It has to be
>banned/restricted...something.
>
>Is there a certain way the Unlimited Icy Manipulator has to be played?
You are confused, probably, because you're not aware of what "Mono Artifact"
means. The Unlimited Icy works just like later versions; in today's terms,
its ability is "1,Tap: Tap target artifact, creature, or land". It taps as
part of the cost of using the ability; it did so back then, also.
Dave
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David DeLaney
>sha...@students.uiuc.edu said...
>> Icy Manipulator is restricted in type 1, and thus banned in type 1.5.
>
>It hasn't been restricted for at least six years. It was for a few
>months waaaay back in '94 and/or '95, I know that, but it certainly isn't
>now. Note that it was never banned in type 1.5 because the period when
>it was restricted was so long ago that there was no type 1.5!
'94. And the reason why? Because Antiquities wasn't out yet, and it was
Way Difficult to get rid of artifacts at the time. So the Icy was rather
more powerful then than it shortly later became. At least, that's how I'm
remembering the sequence...
Jeremy Davidson
I'm assuming you mean the manipulator that doesn't say that you have to tap
it? All cards should be played as they would be worded today. I'm sure
someone here can point you to the Oracle, a compilation of the current
wordings for such cards. Do not let the people you play with a 'play the way
they're written' philosophy. Things could get very messy.
Jeff Heikkinen
> Jeff Heikkinen <insert....@here.com> wrote:
> >sha...@students.uiuc.edu said...
> >> Icy Manipulator is restricted in type 1, and thus banned in type 1.5.
> >
> >It hasn't been restricted for at least six years. It was for a few
> >months waaaay back in '94 and/or '95, I know that, but it certainly isn't
> >now. Note that it was never banned in type 1.5 because the period when
> >it was restricted was so long ago that there was no type 1.5!
>
> '94. And the reason why? Because Antiquities wasn't out yet, and it was
> Way Difficult to get rid of artifacts at the time. So the Icy was rather
> more powerful then than it shortly later became. At least, that's how I'm
> remembering the sequence...
Any truth to the rumors that it had something to do with the Icy / Royal
Assassin combo? That sort of thing seemed really impressive at the time.
Jym
Greg Herrold wrote:
> This is my first post on this board...
> Im just curious on how powerful this card really is... It has to be
> banned/restricted...something.
>
> Is there a certain way the Unlimited Icy Manipulator has to be played?
>
My guess is that you are referring to the Mono Artifact card type?
Mono simply means you have to tap it as part of the cost of playing the
ability.
The current wording on ALL versions of Icy is:
Icy Manipulator
4
Artifact
1, T: Tap target artifact, creature, or land.
Jym