Serendib Efreet???
Josh Haber
1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
have??
Thanx in advance,
Josh
Sean Robert Johnson
: Can somebody please explain to me two things:
: 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
: casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
Printing error.
: 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
: to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
: have??
Cause it's fast. It's 3 mana for a flying 3/4 creature. Nuff said.
Blue rules!
Srj
Mike Stern
: Can somebody please explain to me two things:
: 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
: casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
It's a blue card (card color is always done by the mana needed to cast it).
It was a misprint that lingered... now it's mainly used to see who read the
rules on how card color is determined.
: 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
: to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
: have??
If you can do three points of damage while only taking one, who will win?
: Thanx in advance,
: Josh
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serendibs is the picture of ift-biff efreet. the actual serendib from
arabians in an orange guy. ift-biff is a green card, which explains the
border.
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Mark Phaedrus
<76161...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
> Can somebody please explain to me two things:
>
> 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
> casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
Misprint. It's a blue card, despite the green border. (Remember,
the color of the card for purposes of the rules is always defined by the
color of the casting cost.)
> 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
> to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
> have??
It's the cheapest 3/4 creature in the game.
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Mike Marcelais
| Can somebody please explain to me two things:
| 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
| casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
That is a misprint. It should have a blue border since it is a blue
creature (because the casting cost has blue mana in it(
| 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
| to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
| have??
Funny you should say that...it was taken out of Revised because irt
was `too good' of a card. (Very cheap flying creature.)
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y
: In article <3u9k1j$jla$1...@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Josh Haber
: <76161...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
: > Can somebody please explain to me two things:
: >
: > 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
: > casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
: Misprint. It's a blue card, despite the green border. (Remember,
: the color of the card for purposes of the rules is always defined by the
: color of the casting cost.)
: > 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
: > to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
: > have??
: It's the cheapest 3/4 creature in the game.
Cheapest? How 'bout first turn:
Play an Island
play an ornithopter
play 'unstable mutation' on ornithopter
Ther you go, 3/5 flying, first turn, no mox/lotus/soul ring/channel/etc..
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C. Winston
> | : > to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
> | : > have??
>
> | : It's the cheapest 3/4 creature in the game.
> | Cheapest? How 'bout first turn:
> | Play an Island
> | play an ornithopter
> | play 'unstable mutation' on ornithopter
>
> | Ther you go, 3/5 flying, first turn, no mox/lotus/soul ring/channel/etc..
>
> 1) Artifact Creatures are more vulnerable than normal creatures.
> 2) You've used two cards, not one.
> 3) Your 3/5 flyier will only be 2/4 next turn, 1/3 the turn after, etc.
>
> If you look at creatures which cost 2+1colored, you'll notice that the
> Serendib if _by far_ the largest (except for some walls); the next closest
> all have severe combat restrictions (the Orcs), are Walls, or require
> Cumulative Upekeep (so they won't stay around long.)
Also note that they fly which makes them more valuable. Sure, you take
one damage, but your opponent takes three. By the time the serendib has
done 21 points of damage you've taken 7. Just remember they're seroius
cards, you don't just cast them as potential blockers, do violent stuff
with them.
Charles
Mark Phaedrus
> Mark Phaedrus (phae...@halcyon.com) wrote:
> : It's the cheapest 3/4 creature in the game.
> Cheapest? How 'bout first turn:
> Play an Island
> play an ornithopter
> play 'unstable mutation' on ornithopter
>
> Ther you go, 3/5 flying, first turn, no mox/lotus/soul ring/channel/etc..
Well, let's see. I can take the straightforward "you know what I
meant" approach, the technical "that's a 3/5, not a 3/4" approach, the
philosophical "yes, but you've spent two cards--how does the cost of
having another card gone from your hand compare to the mana difference?"
approach, or the pragmatic "yes, but by the time you can use it to attack
it's 2/4" approach...
Mike Marcelais
| : > 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
| : > to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
| : > have??
| : It's the cheapest 3/4 creature in the game.
| Cheapest? How 'bout first turn:
| Play an Island
| play an ornithopter
| play 'unstable mutation' on ornithopter
| Ther you go, 3/5 flying, first turn, no mox/lotus/soul ring/channel/etc..
Three things:
1) Artifact Creatures are more vulnerable than normal creatures.
2) You've used two cards, not one.
3) Your 3/5 flyier will only be 2/4 next turn, 1/3 the turn after, etc.
For comparison of `natural' creatures, here are the 3/4 creatures:
Dread Wight iR Summon Wight 3BB 3/4
Eater of the Dead dU2 Summon Eater 4B 3/4
Petra Sphinx lR Summon Sphinx 2WWW 3/4
Serendib Efreet nU2rR Summon Efreet 2U 3/4
Stangg lR Summon Legend 4GR 3/4
Stone Giant urfU Summon Giant 2RR 3/4
Note that the cheapest (except for the Serendib) costs 2RR or 4B (Depending
on how much you `weight' having two of the same color.)
If you look at creatures which cost 2+1colored, you'll notice that the
Serendib if _by far_ the largest (except for some walls); the next closest
all have severe combat restrictions (the Orcs), are Walls, or require
Cumulative Upekeep (so they won't stay around long.)
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Scott Martin
>Can somebody please explain to me two things:
>
>1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
>casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
>
>to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
>have??
>
>
>Josh
The green border was a misprint. WotC didn't bother correcting it
mid-print (like most Baseball card printers do).
Note the low casting cost. You get a 3/4 out quickly. If you are
able to get through then you lose 1 point - your oponent loses 3.
(now if I had a choice I'd take the Juzam! - (the 4 casting cost
5/5 that does 1 damage).
DrZimbabwe
4 efreets in a deck. The three casting cost allows you to bring it out on
the first or second turn if you have moxes, dark rituals, tinder wall, sol
ring, fallen empire lands, etc. Speed wins games.
Mr. Alan Kwong Fat LAU
: Can somebody please explain to me two things:
: 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
: casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
: 2. What is the point of this card?? It's a 3/4 that does 1 damage
: to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
: have??
: Thanx in advance,
: Josh
1) It's a mistake.
2) It's a valuable card: easy to cast, merely 3 mana can bring a 3/4 flying
creature. You opponent probably has difficult to block your 3/4 flying if you could
summon it earlier.
For the above reasons, the card is out-of-print now.
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Mike Marcelais
| In article <3uedc5$n...@redstone.interpath.net>, m...@alphatronix.com (Mike Marcelais) writes:
| > My spies caught y typing:
| > | : > to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
| > | : > have??
| >
| > | Cheapest? How 'bout first turn:
| > | Play an Island
| > | play an ornithopter
| > | play 'unstable mutation' on ornithopter
| >
| > | Ther you go, 3/5 flying, first turn, no mox/lotus/soul ring/channel/etc..
| >
| > Three things:
| > 1) Artifact Creatures are more vulnerable than normal creatures.
| > 2) You've used two cards, not one.
| > 3) Your 3/5 flyier will only be 2/4 next turn, 1/3 the turn after, etc.
| >
| > For comparison of `natural' creatures, here are the 3/4 creatures:
| > Dread Wight iR Summon Wight 3BB 3/4
| > Eater of the Dead dU2 Summon Eater 4B 3/4
| > Petra Sphinx lR Summon Sphinx 2WWW 3/4
| > Serendib Efreet nU2rR Summon Efreet 2U 3/4
| > Stangg lR Summon Legend 4GR 3/4
| > Stone Giant urfU Summon Giant 2RR 3/4
| >
| > Note that the cheapest (except for the Serendib) costs 2RR or 4B (Depending
| > on how much you `weight' having two of the same color.)
| Yeah, but Stangg gives you *2*, count them, *2* 3/4 creatures. Thus,
| per creature, same cost (just doesn't fly and has crappy weakness). But, since
| it's r/g instead of blue, it's almost as fast, or faster without loti. :) (Who
| needs forests anyways?)
However, Stangg is a Legend (and hence Restricted), requires two colors of
mana to cast, and if either one of the Stangg's die, the other dies also. Also,
it is the most expensive one on the list (followed closely by the Petra Sphynx)
Monica Severa
>
> Well, let's see. I can take the straightforward "you know what I
>meant" approach, the technical "that's a 3/5, not a 3/4" approach, the
>philosophical "yes, but you've spent two cards--how does the cost of
>having another card gone from your hand compare to the mana difference?"
>approach, or the pragmatic "yes, but by the time you can use it to attack
>it's 2/4" approach...
>
What he meant about 2 cards, is that you have to use 2 cards. The key to any awesome deck maximizing everything. That means that you=
should probably make as many cards in your deck as you can do damage( unless you play a certain kind of lock-down deck-Land Equilib=
rium/Vise/ Armagedden). Losing a whole card that could have done something better is very bad. It also means that you should play wi=
th cards that are casting coat eficient. Unstable Mutation, Black Vise, and Juzam Djinns are all good examples of these. Which bring=
s us to the original point of the whole article- Serendib Efreet is good because is casting cost eficient-3/4 for 3 mana, with the a=
dded bonus of flying.
kswhi...@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu
Kenneth S. Whitaker
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> Mark Phaedrus (phae...@halcyon.com) wrote:
> : In article <3u9k1j$jla$1...@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Josh Haber
>
> : > Can somebody please explain to me two things:
> : >
> : > 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
> : > casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
>
> : the color of the card for purposes of the rules is always defined by the
> : color of the casting cost.)
>
> : > to you during your upkeep, what possible use could this card
> : > have??
>
> : It's the cheapest 3/4 creature in the game.
> Cheapest? How 'bout first turn:
> Play an Island
> play an ornithopter
> play 'unstable mutation' on ornithopter
>
> Ther you go, 3/5 flying, first turn, no mox/lotus/soul ring/channel/etc..
>
But it cost you 2 cards. I can jolly well make a juzam Djinn if I were
to expend 2 cards (a Lotus) on the first turn, but that has nothing to do with
anything. Creature Enchantments have nothing what-so-ever to do with the
discussion at hand.
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Mark Phaedrus
(Christian Kraus) wrote:
> Mark Phaedrus (phae...@halcyon.com) wrote:
> : In article <3u9k1j$jla$1...@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Josh Haber
> : <76161...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>
> : > Can somebody please explain to me two things:
> : >
> : > 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
> : > casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
>
> : Misprint. It's a blue card, despite the green border. (Remember,
> : the color of the card for purposes of the rules is always defined by the
> : color of the casting cost.)
>
> Not quite true. While this holds for 99.9% of the cards the text box of the
> card is sometimes required to know a card's color. Witness the
> kobolds from the Legends expansion for example.
True. But bringing up "When the card contradicts the rules the card
takes precedence" when answering every Magic question is kinda silly,
since you'd have to bring it up every sentence or so...
Steve Terry
: What? Serendib Efreet rocks. In fact, I almost won a tournament with
: 4 efreets in a deck. The three casting cost allows you to bring it out on
: the first or second turn if you have moxes, dark rituals, tinder wall, sol
: ring, fallen empire lands, etc. Speed wins games.
I love players that think like you do. That's why I have 4 Gaseous Forms
in my deck. The last guy that died miserably from his Gaseous Formed
Serendib Efreet was begging me to attack him so he could block with his
Efreet and stop the damage. I just laughed. There are many ways of
dealing with "special" creatures, but the best is to use them to kill
their owner. That's style.
Dave S Moore
>> In article <3undfq$i...@oznet07.ozemail.com.au>, ckr...@ozemail.com.au
>> (Christian Kraus) wrote:
>>
>> > Mark Phaedrus (phae...@halcyon.com) wrote:
>> > : In article <3u9k1j$jla$1...@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Josh Haber
>> > : <76161...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
>> >
>> > : > Can somebody please explain to me two things:
>> > : >
>> > : > 1. Why does the Serendib Efreet have a green border but has a
>> > : > casting cost of 1 blue and 2 others??
>> >
>> > : Misprint. It's a blue card, despite the green border. (Remember,
>> > : the color of the card for purposes of the rules is always defined by the
>> > : color of the casting cost.)
>> >
>> > Not quite true. While this holds for 99.9% of the cards the text box of the
>> > card is sometimes required to know a card's color. Witness the
>> > kobolds from the Legends expansion for example.
>>
>> True. But bringing up "When the card contradicts the rules the card
>> takes precedence" when answering every Magic question is kinda silly,
>> since you'd have to bring it up every sentence or so...
>>
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Even better, use Spirit Link against Serendib Efreet and Juzam Djinn.
He loses one life per turn and you gain 1.
Even then, I think Serendib Efreet is one of the best creatures in the
game for its blinding speed. I sometimes play a speed deck with
Serendib, Juggernaut, Juzam and it is very hard to stop. It is very
aggressive and usually the opponent is always back on his heels, on
the defense, summoning creatures just to block the attacking creatures
and losing them. However, it is true that it can be countered by
StP, Spirit Link, Gaseous Form if the opponent is packing enough
of them.
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George W. Bayles
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This is where the unsummons, or perhaps Barbarian Guides come in. With
creatures and artifacts that can damage me in the deck (Serendibs,
Mana Vaults) I'm considering packing Despotic Specters.
pas...@athos.meca.polymtl.ca
If you want to get rid of the Efreets and get something in return,
use Diamond Valley. And it cost no mana to play (although Despotic
Scepter is very cheap to play).
P*