Lion's Eye Diamond Killer Combo
Stuart Smith
In article L...@netcom.com, fre...@netcom.com (Frederick Scott) writes:
>jvu...@cs.vu.nl (Joost Vunderink) writes:
>
>>Phew!
>>
>>I have finally found a use for the famous Lion's Eye Diamond. It is but
>>a simple 2-card combo, consisting of these cards:
>>
>>Lion's Eye Diamond (duh)
>>Flux
>>
>>It goes like this. Announce Flux. Start resolving Flux. Discard all cards
>>in your hand. At the word 'then', mana sources are legal, so sacrifice
>>your 3 LED's, discarding your hand 3 times (zero cards 3 times) and adding
>>9 mana to your mana pool. Then draw as many cards as you discarded plus
>>one. I checked this with WotC and they say it is in fact legal.
>
>I don't know what their rep meant to say was legal. You discard your
>hand as a cost of gaining the three mana for the Lion's Eye Diamond.
>Such cards do not count as cards sacrificed as part of the Flux which you
>could then draw replacements for.
>
As stated in the original post, it is legal to use mana sources during
the resolution of a spell where the word "then" is printed. This post
unfortunately lacks the exact text of Flux, but implies that it is
something like: "Discard X cards, then draw X + 1 cards."
It is therefore legal to use mana sources (such as the LEDs) after you
discard X cards and before you draw X + 1 cards.
Sounds perfectly legal to me.
(P.S. It will cause your Maro to die...)
(Cross-posted to .rules)
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Stuart Smith
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Dan Johnson
In article <341AAB...@email.byu.edu>, <we...@email.byu.edu> wrote:
>Stuart Smith wrote:
>Sorry, there's where you are wrong. Maro will not check _during_ the
>resolution of the spell, so you will not have a time when your hand size
>is 0, causing the Maro to die.
Maro:
His toughness is checked after completing each "event" in a spell's
resolution. Thus, while his toughness does go to zero during a Wheel of
Fortune, it is not checked until after each event, so he will not die
because you will have more cards before the event ends. [Aahz 08/18/97]
Flux has two events; that'w what presents the opportunity to use Lion's
Eye Diamond.
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Stuart Smith wrote:
><snip>
> It is therefore legal to use mana sources (such as the LEDs) after you
> discard X cards and before you draw X + 1 cards.
>
> Sounds perfectly legal to me.
>
> (P.S. It will cause your Maro to die...)
Sorry, there's where you are wrong. Maro will not check _during_ the
resolution of the spell, so you will not have a time when your hand size
is 0, causing the Maro to die.
>
> (Cross-posted to .rules)
>
> ---
> Stuart Smith
> DCI Judge level I
So what??? Does that make you better than anyone else????
> DCI # 1500
> == Any opinions expressed are my own. You may share them for free. ==
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>><snip>
>> It is therefore legal to use mana sources (such as the LEDs) after you
>> discard X cards and before you draw X + 1 cards.
>>
>> Sounds perfectly legal to me.
>>
>> (P.S. It will cause your Maro to die...)
>
>Sorry, there's where you are wrong. Maro will not check _during_ the
>resolution of the spell, so you will not have a time when your hand size
>is 0, causing the Maro to die.
Wrong.
Flux: "Each player chooses and discards any number of cards, then draws
that many cards." The ",then" between the discards and the draw means that
these two things happen as two separate events.
From the Maro card rulings: "His toughness is checked after completing
each 'event' in a spell's resolution. Thus, while his toughness does go to
zero during a Wheel of Fortune, it is not checked until after each event, so
he will not die because you will have more cards before the event ends.
[Aahz 08/18/97]"
Wheel of Fortune has one event--"All players must discard their hands
and draw seven new cards."--so Maro doesn't die from it. But Flux has two,
so Maro does die if the player has no cards in between.
>>
>> (Cross-posted to .rules)
>>
>> ---
>> Stuart Smith
>> DCI Judge level I
>
>So what??? Does that make you better than anyone else????
Well, apparently it means that he's at least intelligent enough to read
the rulings before flaming someone.
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Joseph William Dixon
Anyone know why the 'then' ruling exists instead of using a much more
intuitive 'no effects can be generated during the resolution of a spell or
effect unless that spell or effect specifically allows such' (like that
multi-Shatter from Alliances, or Chain Lightning) ruling? It'd cause a
hell of a lot fewer arguments...
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Ingo Warnke
Joseph William Dixon (aa...@chebucto.ns.ca) wrote:
: Anyone know why the 'then' ruling exists instead of using a much more
: intuitive 'no effects can be generated during the resolution of a spell or
: effect unless that spell or effect specifically allows such' (like that
: multi-Shatter from Alliances, or Chain Lightning) ruling? It'd cause a
: hell of a lot fewer arguments...
That was the ruling for 4E. Then you needed special timing bubbles to
allow mana generating interrupts. It was unclear what exactly you could
do there,...
But looking at the current 'mess', I'm not sure if the older ruling wasn't
better.
Ingo Warnke