Token bouncing and triggered effects thereof...
Griffis
I wanted to make sure of something.
When I unsummon or bounce a token in any way,
does it trigger things like Warped Devotion and consequentially Megrim?
If there are more Warped Devotions in play, are they cumulative?
The situation would be something like this:
in play on my side - 2x Warped Devotion, Megrim
opponent - 1 6/6 wurm token, 3 cards in hand.
I play Recoil on his wurm token.
It does trigger the "whenever a permanent is returned to hand effect",
causing him to discard three cards, right?
I think so, but I ain't a 100% sure.
A big thanx to all the patient judges out there that answer our countless
questions!
Christopher Mihelich
>When I unsummon or bounce a token in any way,
>does it trigger things like Warped Devotion and consequentially Megrim?
Yes. A token is a permanent and can be sent back to someone's hand
like any other (although it doesn't stay there too long). Bouncing a
Squirrel token, for example, will trigger Warped Devotion just fine.
If the card were intended not to trigger on tokens' being bounced, it
would read "Whenever a _nontoken_ permanent is returned ..."
>If there are more Warped Devotions in play, are they cumulative?
Yes, each triggers separately. (Simply because there's no reason why
they wouldn't.)
>The situation would be something like this:
>in play on my side - 2x Warped Devotion, Megrim
>opponent - 1 6/6 wurm token, 3 cards in hand.
>I play Recoil on his wurm token.
>It does trigger the "whenever a permanent is returned to hand effect",
>causing him to discard three cards, right?
Yes. To be precise, Recoil bounces the Wurm and forces him to discard
a card. Then the Wurm token evaporates and the two Warped Devotion
triggered abilities and one Megrim ability go on the stack. Each of
the Warped Devotion abilities will cause him to discard one card when
it resolves, then triggering Megrim again. The net effect is one Wurm
eliminated, three cards discarded, and six points of damage dealt; it
just doesn't happen all at once, which occasionally matters.
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April 29, 2002 03:28 EDT -- Pink Floyd, "Time"
Jasper Overman
"Griffis" <gri...@net.hr> wrote in message
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> So,
> I wanted to make sure of something.
> When I unsummon or bounce a token in any way,
> does it trigger things like Warped Devotion and consequentially Megrim?
> If there are more Warped Devotions in play, are they cumulative?
> The situation would be something like this:
> in play on my side - 2x Warped Devotion, Megrim
> opponent - 1 6/6 wurm token, 3 cards in hand.
> I play Recoil on his wurm token.
> It does trigger the "whenever a permanent is returned to hand effect",
> causing him to discard three cards, right?
>
not a card) then he has to discard 2 cards for the Warped Devotions. With
Megrim, that's a total of 6 damage.
> I think so, but I ain't a 100% sure.
> A big thanx to all the patient judges out there that answer our countless
> questions!
>
--
Jasper Overman
DCI Level 2 Judge
David DeLaney
>I wanted to make sure of something.
>When I unsummon or bounce a token in any way,
>does it trigger things like Warped Devotion and consequentially Megrim?
Yes, it does (though the only other 'thing like Warped Devotion' is Puppet
Master). Warped Devotion says it triggers whenever a permanent is returned
to a player's hand; tokens are perfectly good permanents. Warped Devotion
doesn't say "if the returned permanent was a card," anywhere, so doesn't
make the discard watch to see if a -card- was returned or not.
>If there are more Warped Devotions in play, are they cumulative?
Not exactly. But each one will trigger for each bounced permanent, meaning
a player who has one permanent return to his hand will have to discard N
cards, one at a time, one for the triggered ability from each Warped Devotion.
>The situation would be something like this:
>in play on my side - 2x Warped Devotion, Megrim
>opponent - 1 6/6 wurm token, 3 cards in hand.
>I play Recoil on his wurm token.
>It does trigger the "whenever a permanent is returned to hand effect",
Yes.
>causing him to discard three cards, right?
No. Causing him to discard -two-; you had TWO Warped Devotions out, and each
one triggers once. The Recoil ALSO makes him discard, which may be what you
were thinking of... but it's "bounce Wurm, WDs trigger, Recoil causes a
discard, Megrim triggers, Recoil goes to graveyard, both WD abilities and
Megrim ability go on stack; they'll resolve separately, and each WD ability
will trigger another Megrim ability". He'll -end up- discarding three cards
all told, and taking 6 damage, 2 at a time, from the Megrim - but the WDs
will only cause two of those discards.
Dave
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