Stopping Feldon's cane
Don Goreham
If it is an instant, can I stop the ability from happening by using
a disenchant when my opponent decides to use its ability? If this
will not work, then what can I do to stop this card using only 4E
and Ice Age cards? I realize that a counterspell will stop it before
it gets out, but I need some advice on the other colors.
thanks
Don Goreham
Robert Joseph McCammon
Try Tormods Crypt. It doesn't really stop it but it makes it
worthless.
Robert Joseph McCammon mcca...@evansville.edu
Computer Co-op/EEngr Student jos...@maddog.evansville.edu
University of Evansville r...@evansville.edu
David DeLaney
>Don Goreham <dgor...@toto.csustan.edu> wrote:
>> Is Feldon's cane's ability considered an interrupt or an instant?
>> If it is an instant, can I stop the ability from happening by using
>> a disenchant when my opponent decides to use its ability? If this
>> will not work, then what can I do to stop this card using only 4E
>> and Ice Age cards? I realize that a counterspell will stop it before
>> it gets out, but I need some advice on the other colors.
>
Read your cards please; neither Deathgrip nor Lifeforce can do anything
at all about non-spell fast effects like the Cane's [which is instant-speed,
by the way]. The only ways to counter the effect are Ayesha Tanaka, Rust,
or Brown Ouphe; removing the graveyard in question before the effect resolves
will cause nothing to be shuffled back in, though this doesn't technically
*counter* the effect - it just makes it useless when it happens.
Dave
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: ew...@chattanooga.net (J. Andrew Lipscomb) writes:
: >Don Goreham <dgor...@toto.csustan.edu> wrote:
: >> Is Feldon's cane's ability considered an interrupt or an instant?
: >> If it is an instant, can I stop the ability from happening by using
: >> a disenchant when my opponent decides to use its ability? If this
: >> will not work, then what can I do to stop this card using only 4E
: >> and Ice Age cards? I realize that a counterspell will stop it before
: >> it gets out, but I need some advice on the other colors.
: >
: >A black/green deck can do it by Lifelace/Deathgrip or Deathlace/Lifeforce.
I think he meant to counter it as it was being cast. You could also
Thoughtlace/Chaoslace then REB/BEB/Hydro/Pyro it.
: Read your cards please; neither Deathgrip nor Lifeforce can do anything
: at all about non-spell fast effects like the Cane's [which is instant-speed,
: by the way]. The only ways to counter the effect are Ayesha Tanaka, Rust,
: or Brown Ouphe; removing the graveyard in question before the effect resolves
: will cause nothing to be shuffled back in, though this doesn't technically
: *counter* the effect - it just makes it useless when it happens.
Since the Cane is written as 0: Shuffle your grave..., can you respond to
someone's Rust with another use of the Cane? I haven't looked at the
errata for the Cane, if any, but I think if it is a Sacrifice of the Cane
itself, you can't use it again in responde to a Crypt or Rust or Ouphe.
: Dave
Mike Marcelais
| David DeLaney (d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu) wrote:
| : ew...@chattanooga.net (J. Andrew Lipscomb) writes:
| : >Don Goreham <dgor...@toto.csustan.edu> wrote:
| : >> Is Feldon's cane's ability considered an interrupt or an instant?
| : >> If it is an instant, can I stop the ability from happening by using
| : >> a disenchant when my opponent decides to use its ability? If this
| : >> will not work, then what can I do to stop this card using only 4E
| : >> and Ice Age cards? I realize that a counterspell will stop it before
| : >> it gets out, but I need some advice on the other colors.
| : >
| : >A black/green deck can do it by Lifelace/Deathgrip or Deathlace/Lifeforce.
| I think he meant to counter it as it was being cast. You could also
| Thoughtlace/Chaoslace then REB/BEB/Hydro/Pyro it.
| : Read your cards please; neither Deathgrip nor Lifeforce can do anything
| : at all about non-spell fast effects like the Cane's [which is instant-speed,
| : by the way]. The only ways to counter the effect are Ayesha Tanaka, Rust,
| : or Brown Ouphe; removing the graveyard in question before the effect resolves
| : will cause nothing to be shuffled back in, though this doesn't technically
| : *counter* the effect - it just makes it useless when it happens.
| Since the Cane is written as 0: Shuffle your grave..., can you respond to
| someone's Rust with another use of the Cane? I haven't looked at the
| errata for the Cane, if any, but I think if it is a Sacrifice of the Cane
| itself, you can't use it again in responde to a Crypt or Rust or Ouphe.
Ah...no. There are two things wrong with your idea:
1) Feldon's Cane is a Mono Artifact, hence it taps when used (even if
rusted) and if it is rusted, then you can't activate it again until it
gets untapped.
2) Feldon's Cane is sacrificed when used (although it leaves the game instead
of going to the graveyard) and if rusted is still gone:
Feldon's Cane:
Is removed from play when the effect is announced and not when it
resolves. [D'Angelo 03/01/95]
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S.W. Spisak
Someone mentioned using RUST, the BROWN OUPHE and AYESHA TANAKA... now,
I'm not sure about the last, but RUST >only< works on artifacts with an
activation cost. There is no activation cost on Cane. I could be wrong,
but that's what I seem to recall.
Steve
David DeLaney
>Is Feldon's cane's ability considered an interrupt or an instant?
Instant-speed.
>If it is an instant, can I stop the ability from happening by using
>a disenchant when my opponent decides to use its ability?
Nope, for two reasons: 1) The Cane is removed from the game when you announce
its effect, so it's not there by the time you could respond with a Disenchant;
2) You cannot counter an effect by doing things to the *source* of the effect
- you can only counter an effect by actually going and countering the effect.
If this
>will not work, then what can I do to stop this card using only 4E
>and Ice Age cards?
Brown Ouphe. Green IA common. Ayesha Tanaka. CR reprint from Legends.
Jim Ortlieb
S.W. Spisak <u860...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
>
>Someone mentioned using RUST, the BROWN OUPHE and AYESHA TANAKA... now,
>I'm not sure about the last, but RUST >only< works on artifacts with an
>activation cost.
True.
>There is no activation cost on Cane. I could be wrong,
>but that's what I seem to recall.
Not so true.
Feldon's Cane has an activation cost of 0. The costs exists, but its
nothing. (If you know what I mean...)
Jim
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David DeLaney
>Since the Cane is written as 0: Shuffle your grave..., can you respond to
>someone's Rust with another use of the Cane? I haven't looked at the
>errata for the Cane, if any, but I think if it is a Sacrifice of the Cane
>itself, you can't use it again in responde to a Crypt or Rust or Ouphe.
It's _almost_ a sacrifice; 3/1/95 Rulings included "It's removed from the
game when the effect is announced". It's a sacrifice-but-remove-from-the-
game-instead, like the creatures for City of Shadows. Thus if it's Rusted
the Cane has already left the building^Wgame.
Mike Marcelais
| In article <3vk4b1$5...@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>,
| S.W. Spisak <u860...@muss.cis.McMaster.CA> wrote:
| >
| >Someone mentioned using RUST, the BROWN OUPHE and AYESHA TANAKA... now,
| >I'm not sure about the last, but RUST >only< works on artifacts with an
| >activation cost.
| True.
| >There is no activation cost on Cane. I could be wrong,
| >but that's what I seem to recall.
| Not so true.
| Feldon's Cane has an activation cost of 0. The costs exists, but its
| nothing. (If you know what I mean...)
actually, it has an activation cost of (0T):
Steven Stadnicki
: [...] removing the graveyard in question before the effect resolves
: will cause nothing to be shuffled back in, though this doesn't technically
: *counter* the effect - it just makes it useless when it happens.
Well, it's another means of shuffling your library, which is hardly useless,
but you're right in that it doesn't exactly give the 'bring cards back'
effect that most people want from their Canes. [And to answer other people's
comments, the cane _is_ a sacrifice and so can't be re-responded to, and it
_does_ have a cost -- paying '0' and saccing the Cane -- so it can be Rusted.
And note that while the sac itself is part of the cost, even just a '0:' by
itself is a cost; you can Rust the use of a Zuran Orb or Transmogrified
Blinking Spirit, if you want to burn a point of Green mana and/or get a card
out of your hand.]
Steven Stadnicki
Time-Warner Interactive/Atari Games
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MD Horrill
: >will not work, then what can I do to stop this card using only 4E
: >and Ice Age cards?
Try Tormods Crypt (Dark/Chronicles). It doesn't stop the cane but it does
remove the graveyard which is as good as stopping it.
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