Abilities and effects

Curt A. Monash

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May 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/5/97

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If there's a source for rulings on these subjects, please direct me.

Anyhow:

1. If a White Pump Knight is Sleighted to have Protection from White,
is it still pumpable? I say no; protection includes
protection-from-self, unless otherwise noted explicitly.

2. Does a City of Solitude shut down Ankh, Justice, etc.? I say no,
because there were no costs to trigger their effects.

Agree/disagree?

CAM

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Vaevictis Fishtank

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Curt A. Monash wrote:
>
> If there's a source for rulings on these subjects, please direct me.
>
> Anyhow:
>
> 1. If a White Pump Knight is Sleighted to have Protection from White,
> is it still pumpable? I say no; protection includes
> protection-from-self, unless otherwise noted explicitly.

Sure, they can. Creature abilities aren't targeted, so pro-from-white
won't keep a white pumpknight from pumping.

> 2. Does a City of Solitude shut down Ankh, Justice, etc.? I say no,
> because there were no costs to trigger their effects.

That's correct.

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Joachim Tabaczek

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In article <336EA9...@tiac.net>, "Curt A. Monash" <mon...@tiac.net> writes:
|> If there's a source for rulings on these subjects, please direct me.

ftp://ftp.activesw.com/pub/sdangelo/magic/rule-general.txt
ftp://ftp.activesw.com/pub/sdangelo/magic/rule-cards.txt

|> 1. If a White Pump Knight is Sleighted to have Protection from White,
|> is it still pumpable? I say no; protection includes
|> protection-from-self, unless otherwise noted explicitly.

The Knight's ability isn't targetted and doesn't deal damage, so
it still works. [Protection does include protection-from-self;
for example, a Reckless Embermage enchanted with a Red Ward will
reduce to 0 all damage it deals to itself. But protection is not
protection-from-everything; it shuts down certain things, but
will not stop untargetted, non-damage-dealing effects.]

|> 2. Does a City of Solitude shut down Ankh, Justice, etc.? I say no,
|> because there were no costs to trigger their effects.

Correct. Neither Ankh of Mishra nor Justice has an activation
cost, so [by errata] the City won't touch them.

Joachim

Ingo Kemper

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On Mon, 05 May 1997 23:44:20 -0400, "Curt A. Monash" <mon...@tiac.net>
wrote:

>1. If a White Pump Knight is Sleighted to have Protection from White,
>is it still pumpable? I say no; protection includes
>protection-from-self, unless otherwise noted explicitly.

Sorry, that's wrong. Abilities of creatures that only affect itself
are not targetted, just like all spells that only affect _you_ and
cannot be played (or forked...) onto another player are not targetted
(like, say, Final Fortune).

: Any spell or permanent that affects itself does so in a non-targeted way.
: [D'Angelo 05/19/95] Although some targeted spells and abilities can be
: aimed at the permanent that generated the effect. If this happens, it is
: still a targeted spell/ability.

So using the ability of a creature (regenerating a creature with a
Regeneration enchantment on it, pumping up a pump knight...) does not
target the creature in question, it (usually) does not deal damage to
that creature, it does not enchant that creature and it does not block
that creature. The effect will work.

>2. Does a City of Solitude shut down Ankh, Justice, etc.? I say no,
>because there were no costs to trigger their effects.

City of Solitude has been ruled to affect only abilities that require
activation costs (something written as cost: effect) and spells:

: City of Solitude:
: As errata, it should read "Each player may play spells and abilities
: requiring activation costs only during his or her turn."
: [WotC Rules Team 03/14/97]
: Does not stop continuous effects from working. [bethmo 02/05/97]
: Does not stop triggered abilities, specialized abilities, and phase
: abilities which are mandatory. For example, Underworld Dreams, Howling
: Mine and Khabal Ghoul. Does stop activated ones such as Soul Net.
: [WotC Rules Team 03/14/97]

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Mike Marcelais

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Curt A. Monash <mon...@tiac.net> wrote in article <336EA9...@tiac.net>...

> If there's a source for rulings on these subjects, please direct me.
>

> Anyhow:

>
> 1. If a White Pump Knight is Sleighted to have Protection from White,
> is it still pumpable? I say no; protection includes
> protection-from-self, unless otherwise noted explicitly.

Protection From White does 3 things:

1) Reduce all white damage to zero.
2) Cannot be blocked by white creatures.
3) Cannot be the target of white spells, effects, or enchantments.

Now, #1 will prevent self-inflicted damage and #3 will prevent the use of its
own targetted abilities on itself. [#2 cannot really be self-protecting.]

However, the pump-knights abilities are not targetted. They always affect
"itself" and not a "target creature", so they can still be used noramlly and
the bonus will still apply.

Contrast this with (say) a White Warded Icatian Priest {1WW: Target creature
gets +1/+1 until end of turn}. It does target a creature because you get to
select which one you want to get the bonus. The WWIP cannot use the bonus on
itself anymore (although it can bless other critters).

>
> 2. Does a City of Solitude shut down Ankh, Justice, etc.? I say no,
> because there were no costs to trigger their effects.

City of Solitude only prevents abilities with activation costs. Ankh of
Mishra and Justice (and all other triggered abiltiies) will function
normally.