Takkelmaggot and protection from black AGAIN

[Jason Margaritis]

Okay lets try this again.

My original question was:
Can you move takkelmaggot to a creature with protection from black?
If so does it stay?

Numerous people responded with "no, its a targeted effect". Some responded
by calling me stoopud.

Here's the relevent rules:
- Moving Takkelmaggot is not considered a spell or effect, so it can be
moved onto creatures which cannot be targeted by spells and effects (such
as Autumn willow). [WotC Rules Team 02/06/96]

Protection from Color:

- Cannot be targeted by <color> effects or spells, but it may be affected
by spells or effects of that color which do not target it specifically but
all damage dealt is still reduced to zero.
- Has any enchanments of <color> removed.

The way I read it, there is nothing prohibiting Takkelmaggot from being
moved to a creature with protection from black. Does anyone know of other
relevant rulings?

Any Ideas?

Thanks
Jason Margaritis
jason_a...@usa.pipeline.com

[Kyle Nishioka]

Jason Margaritis (jason_a...@usa.pipeline.com) wrote:
: Okay lets try this again.

:
: My original question was:
: Can you move takkelmaggot to a creature with protection from black?
: If so does it stay?
:
: Numerous people responded with "no, its a targeted effect". Some responded
: by calling me stoopud.
:
: Here's the relevent rules:
: - Moving Takkelmaggot is not considered a spell or effect, so it can be
: moved onto creatures which cannot be targeted by spells and effects (such
: as Autumn willow). [WotC Rules Team 02/06/96]
:
: Protection from Color:
:
: - Cannot be targeted by <color> effects or spells, but it may be affected
: by spells or effects of that color which do not target it specifically but
: all damage dealt is still reduced to zero.
: - Has any enchanments of <color> removed.

This last part is not entirely correct. It also prevents any <color>
enchantments from being played on the protected creature. Its in the
little rulebook but for some reason was not included in D'Angelo's summaries.

:
: The way I read it, there is nothing prohibiting Takkelmaggot from being

: moved to a creature with protection from black. Does anyone know of other
: relevant rulings?

That last part about protection is what prevents a Takklemaggot from
moving onto a protected creature. A creature which "cannot be the target
of spells/effects" can be a target for the Takklemaggot because the
Takklemaggots' movement is not an effect, but it cannot move onto a
protected creature because the protection prevents the enchantment from
being played on it.

--
Kyle
nk...@hawaii.edu

#include <std_disclaimer.h>
#include <blue_ribbon>

[Mastermind]

Wouldn't it be easier to say that, you can indeed move takklemagot on , say
a white Order, but then the prot. fr. black would kick in and cause the
takklemagot to be discarded?
Kind of what will happen if you try to animate a White Knight. It leaves the
graveyard, get's it's prot. fr. black back, and returns to it again.
-or so I think.

just my 0.02

M.

[Kyle Nishioka]

Mastermind (rkre...@wi.leidenuniv.nl) wrote:
: Kyle Nishioka wrote:
: Wouldn't it be easier to say that, you can indeed move takklemagot on , say

: a white Order, but then the prot. fr. black would kick in and cause the
: takklemagot to be discarded?

Yes, it would be easier, but that is not how they want it to work. They
want to make sure that the rules of protection supercede the rules of
moving enchantments.

: Kind of what will happen if you try to animate a White Knight. It leaves the

: graveyard, get's it's prot. fr. black back, and returns to it again.
: -or so I think.

That is correct. The difference here is that the Knight's ability is not
active while it is in the grave. But the protection is active when the
enchantment is trying to move, which is why the Takklemaggot cannot hop
onto the Knight.