A couple of questions
Miriana
1 depletion counter left on it, can I tap the Skerry (removing the last
counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs? (The effect on the Skerry
does not seem like a "cost")
2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library for
Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
Miriana
> 2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library for
> Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
(trying to iron out play vs put into play)
Morgan Vening
>1) If I have a Rath's Edge in play, 2 Island, and a Saprazzan Skerry with
>1 depletion counter left on it, can I tap the Skerry (removing the last
>counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
>
>In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
>cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs? (The effect on the Skerry
>does not seem like a "cost")
The answer is no. While the Skerry's ability is not a cost, the
checking of the sacrifice ability is part of the mana producing
ability, and cannot be interrupted. You tap the Skerry for mana, and
before you have a chance to do nothing else, you must check to see if
it has counters, or sacrifice it.
>2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library for
>Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
I'm not sure what the Bandy you are refering to is. But as long as
Bandy says to put a Local Enchantment on a creature of your choice,
rather than using words play, or target creature, then it would most
likely be legal.
Morgan Vening
AM Stephenson
: 1) If I have a Rath's Edge in play, 2 Island, and a Saprazzan Skerry with
: counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
No, this won't work. The sacrifice that's written on the Skerry is
a part of its effect. So, with one counter on it, you activate the
ability, paying the cost of tapping the land and removing the last
counter. Since this is a mana ability, it resolves immediately.
It adds the two blue mana to your mana pool, checks the number of
depletion counters, finds none, and you sacrifice it. Then the
effect is finished, and you can carry on with the game.
: In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
: cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs? (The effect on the Skerry
: does not seem like a "cost")
It isn't a cost, but you still can only perform one sacrifice action
for the same permanent, regardless of whether it's a cost or not.
Once it's been sacrificed for one purpose, it's not there any more.
: 2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library for
: Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
Well, not knowing what a Bandy is won't help much, but I'll read
between the lines and assume that you're asking if you can put a
local enchantment into play enchanting a creature that can't be
the target of a spell or ability. That's fine; it's not a spell
or ability that's targeting the creature when it comes into play
this way. So you couldn't cast Shackles directly on the Deadly
Insect, but you could get it into play with Replenish, or by
enchanting something else and then using an Enchantment Alteration.
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Steve Lord
> 1) If I have a Rath's Edge in play, 2 Island, and a Saprazzan Skerry with
> 1 depletion counter left on it, can I tap the Skerry (removing the last
> counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
No. If you tap the Skerry for mana first, as part of the mana ability you
sacrifice the Skerry. If you sac the Skerry to the Rath's Edge first, you
can't play the mana ability.
Saprazzan Skerry
Land
Saprazzan Skerry comes into play tapped with two depletion counters
on it.
T, Remove a depletion counter from Saprazzan Skerry: Add two blue
mana to your mana pool. If there are no depletion counters on Saprazzan
Skerry, sacrifice it.
> In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
> cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs? (The effect on the Skerry
> does not seem like a "cost")
No, and it isn't. Just like the poke on a painland occurs at the same
time you get the mana, the "If there are no depletion counters" condition
is checked at the time you get the mana; if the condition is satisfied,
you follow the instruction at that time.
Adarkar Wastes
Land
T: Add one colorless mana to your mana pool.
T: Add W or U to your mana pool. Adarkar Wastes deals 1 damage to you.
> 2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library for
> Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
? I don't know of any Magic card named Bandy. Do you mean that your
Academy Rector leaves play?
Academy Rector
3W
Creature - Cleric
1/2
When Academy Rector is put into a graveyard from play, you may
remove Academy Rector from the game. If you do, search your library
for an enchantment card and put that card into play. Then shuffle your
library.
Yes, you can put the Shackles on the Insect. The Insect can't be the
target of spells and abilities, but the Shackles isn't a spell or ability
at this time. It's just brought directly into play enchanting the Insect.
Steve L
Aaron Huntsman
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> 1) If I have a Rath's Edge in play, 2 Island, and a Saprazzan Skerry with
> 1 depletion counter left on it, can I tap the Skerry (removing the last
> counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
No. The Skerry is sacrificed as soon as you tap it for mana and remove the
last counter. Tapping the Skerry is a mana ability, and mana abilities
resolve immediately. "If there are no counters..." is part of that ability.
> In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
> cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs? (The effect on the Skerry
> does not seem like a "cost")
It isn't, but it still puts the Skerry in the graveyard before you can use
it to pay the cost of Rath's Edge.
> 2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library
for
> Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
I'm not sure what Bandy is, but if you're talking about an effect that puts
enchantments into play from your library/graveyard/etc., then yes, you can
put such a local enchantment on an untargettable creature such as Deadly
Insects.
The recipient of the enchantment has to be valid - you can't put the
Shackles on a creature with protection from white, for instance - but Deadly
Insects only says it can't be targetted by spells or abilities, and the
Shackles coming into play is neither.
-AMH
Miriana
> ? I don't know of any Magic card named Bandy. Do you mean that your
> Academy Rector leaves play?
Bandy is a card in The Unforgiven set. The game setting in whis this came up was a friendly Apprentive game, therefore the card was "Available", so to speak.
Lightning
greetz,
>1) If I have a Rath's Edge in play, 2 Island, and a Saprazzan Skerry with
>1 depletion counter left on it, can I tap the Skerry (removing the last
>counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
no, each time you tap it it will also check the amount of depletion
counters on it. so it will be gone at the same time the mana ability resolves.
that happens before you can sacrifice it in the RE.
>In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
>cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs? (The effect on the Skerry
>does not seem like a "cost")
no, c above
>2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment.
bandy?
> I search my library for
>Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
if "Bandy" says you may put a local enchantment card into play without actually
playing it (like you play another spell) then you don't target the
to-be-enchanted permanent.
hope it helps
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Steve Lord
Okay ... next time, when you ask a question about a card whose text might
not be generally available (like made-up cards for friendly Apprentice
games) could you please quote the text? We can answer questions about
made-up cards, as long as we have the text; without the text, we have to
guess what it does, and minor differences in guesses can make huge
differences in interpretation. Thanks.
Steve L
David DeLaney
>1 depletion counter left on it, can I tap the Skerry (removing the last
>counter) AND sacrifice it to Rath's Edge?
Nope. You can use its mana ability, sacrificing it as part of the effect
of that ability ... _or_ you can use the Rath's Edge's ability, getting mana
from the Skerry and the two Islands, and sacrifice the Skerry to its mana
ability and one of your -other- three lands to pay the Rath's Edge's
ability's cost (even the RE itself if you like)... _or_ you can use the
Rath's Edge's ability, sacrifice the Skerry as the land, and then find out
you're unable to get 4 mana to pay the mana part of the activation cost with,
and you'll have to back up.
>In other words, does this situation break the rule where the same card
>cannot be sacrificed to satisfy multiple costs?
No, because that's not the whole thing.
> (The effect on the Skerry does not seem like a "cost")
It's not; the sacrifice there is part of the effect. But, since you can't
sacrifice something for two different -reasons-, it's still not Allowed.
>2) I play Bandy and sacrifice a white enchantment. I search my library for
>Shackles. Can I put shackles on my opponent's deadly insects?
Bandy? ...Judging from your question, you're trying to ask about some card
that lets you search your library for an enchantment card and put it -directly
into play-. And the only one I see that can do that is Academy Rector - and
there's no 'sacrifice a white enchantment' involved there. So you'll need to
tell us the actual -name- of the card you're trying to use here.
If you happen to be asking about the Rector's ability, yes, that can drop
the Shackles directly onto a creature that can't be the target of spells
or abilities, because the ability doesn't -target- anything. (The enchantment
will 'enchant' the creature, and will become 'attached to' it ... so you
couldn't drop it on a Black Knight, because proWhite includes "can't be
enchanted by white enchantments". But the Deadly Insect doesn't care whether
there's enchantments -on- it - it just won't let you -cast a local enchantment
spell targetting it-.)
Dave
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David DeLaney
Well, since most of the rules gurus here will never have even heard of that
_set_ (and since homemade sets tend not to be totally correctly templated
anyway), it would be doing us a favor to include actual texts for made-up
cards you're asking about...
MatMan
David DeLaney <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
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> Miriana <mir...@abcb.org> wrote:
> >Steve Lord <sl...@wpi.edu> wrote:
> >> ? I don't know of any Magic card named Bandy. Do you mean that your
> >> Academy Rector leaves play?
> >
> >Bandy is a card in The Unforgiven set. The game setting in whis this
came up
> >was a friendly Apprentive game, therefore the card was "Available", so to
> >speak.
Ahh..."Apprentive." My favorite MtG application.