Colourless a colour?
Tony J Drew
I have some vague memory of 5th edition rule changes saying something
along the lines that it was, but I can't recall. Essentially, can you
sleight a gloom to colourless? Make a knight of dawn pro colourless?
Thank you.
Tony Drew
Widowmaker
Yes. Some creatures state that they are colorless. An examplke would be
a sliver token generated by the sliver queen. The token is a colorless
1 /1 creature as stated in the text of the sliver queen.
Phaedrus
Tony J Drew <td...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>I really should know this, but...is colourless officially a colour now?
>I have some vague memory of 5th edition rule changes saying something
>along the lines that it was, but I can't recall. Essentially, can you
>sleight a gloom to colourless? Make a knight of dawn pro colourless?
>Thank you.
No. The five colors of Magic are "red", "blue", "green", "white" and
"black". "Colorless" is not a color. Neither is "land", "artifact",
"gold", or "puce".
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Kyle Nishioka
: I really should know this, but...is colourless officially a colour now?
No, colorless is not a color.
: I have some vague memory of 5th edition rule changes saying something
: along the lines that it was, but I can't recall. Essentially, can you
: sleight a gloom to colourless? Make a knight of dawn pro colourless?
Nope, you have to choose red, green, blue, black or white.
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Phaedrus
>Tony J Drew wrote:
>> I really should know this, but...is colourless officially a colour now?
>> along the lines that it was, but I can't recall. Essentially, can you
>> sleight a gloom to colourless? Make a knight of dawn pro colourless?
>Yes. Some creatures state that they are colorless. An examplke would be
>a sliver token generated by the sliver queen. The token is a colorless
>1 /1 creature as stated in the text of the sliver queen.
That's an incorrect answer.
Yes, there are any number of colorless things in Magic. However, this
does not mean that "colorless" is a color, any more than the existence of
Sliver Queen means that "red-and-blue-and-green-and-white-and-black" is a
color.
The five colors of Magic are "red", "blue", "green", "white", and
"black". Nothing else is a color.
Widowmaker
Colorless means is a color athlogh it is not one of the playable main
founding colors. Thus a creature with protection from artifacts is not
immune to a colorless creature. Not to metion many lands produce
colorless mana. Thus it is as much a color as any other color.
Red, white. green, blue, black, and colorless. These are the
characteristic color cataegories as they are played and effect game
play. Thus (you won't like this) say you play sleight of mind. A legal
choice of colos would be colorless thus allowing you to change the
change a circle of protection to colorless rendering it nearly useless.
As far as this being a new color it is nothing of the sort rather it has
always been around it is just that most people dismiss colorless.
Just think about this in a logical manner. There is colorless mana,
thus colorless mana sources and colorless creatures and the ability to
make non-creature spells colorless. Doesn't this kind of make it
equivelent to any other color? In all spoeaking it is almost possible
to build a colorless deck with all the colorless card abilities and
spell abilities out there. The only thing that colorless is missing is
a symbol of it's own for use in the casting costs on a card.
Ingo Kemper
>I really should know this, but...is colourless officially a colour now?
No, it's not.
>I have some vague memory of 5th edition rule changes saying something
>along the lines that it was, but I can't recall. Essentially, can you
>sleight a gloom to colourless? Make a knight of dawn pro colourless?
No, and no.
Ingo Kemper
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Brian Trosko
: Red, white. green, blue, black, and colorless. These are the
: characteristic color cataegories as they are played and effect game
: play. Thus (you won't like this) say you play sleight of mind. A legal
: choice of colos would be colorless thus allowing you to change the
: change a circle of protection to colorless rendering it nearly useless.
: As far as this being a new color it is nothing of the sort rather it has
: always been around it is just that most people dismiss colorless.
Jesus Unsportsmanlike Conduct Christ with a Cadaverous Bloom in his lap,
read the rulebook much?
Here, 5th Edition rulebook, page 27: "Every card in Magic has a color
definition which describes it as being one, many, or none of the *f8ve*
colors: white, blue, black, red, and green. A card with more than one
color is called multicolored; a card with *no* colors is called
*colorless*." [Emphasis mine.]
Purple is not a color. Plaid is not a color. *Colorless* is most
certainly *not* a color.
Look, it's one thing to answer questions when you don't know the answers.
It's another thing entirely to get them wrong. And it's *another* thing,
entirely, to argue with the people who *do* know, and have corrected you.
I've been wrong before. I'll likely be wrong again. But when corrected
by those who do know, I admit my error, and move on.
It is not legal to give a Knight of Dawn protection from colorless. It is
not legal to sleight or lace a card to colorless. Colorless is not a
color.
Widowmaker
but to keep the peace.
So here it is. Colorless has no color and is not a color. The facts and
supporting info I have given is not sufficient to make my comment valid
so I must agree that colorless is not a color after all.
Eric Vanheest
: So here it is. Colorless has no color and is not a color. The facts and
: supporting info I have given is not sufficient to make my comment valid
: so I must agree that colorless is not a color after all.
... and must get the last word in
:)
Doug Wheeler
>Just think about this in a logical manner. There is colorless mana,
>thus colorless mana sources
No there isn't. There is GENERIC mana, which can be used when mana of a
specific color is not required.
>and colorless creatures and the ability to make non-creature spells
colorless.
I'm not sure which specific ability you are referring to, but an ability
like that doesn't change the color to "colorless," it simply removes the
color of the creature.
--Doug
Doug Wheeler
Correction:
Yes, there are things which generate colorless mana - meaning mana without
color. There are things which cost generic mana, meaning mana of any or no
color.
A colorless creature is a creature without color.
--Doug
Phaedrus
Doug Wheeler <dwhe...@isd.net> wrote:
>Widowmaker <sanh...@home.com> wrote in message 35D090...@home.com...
>>Just think about this in a logical manner. There is colorless mana,
>>thus colorless mana sources
>
>No there isn't. There is GENERIC mana, which can be used when mana of a
>specific color is not required.
No; actually, you have this backwards. There are generic mana _costs_,
costs that can be paid with any mana, regardless of its color. There is
no such thing as generic mana; there is only colorless mana, which can only
be used to pay generic mana costs.
Older cards confused the issue, by using the same symbol to represent
generic costs (for example, Arcum's Sleigh's casting cost of "1-in-a-circle",
or 1 generic mana) as well as colorless mana (for example, the common land
ability of "Tap: Add 1-in-a-circle to your mana pool"). Newer cards correct
this, by using numbers in a circle only to represent generic costs; abilities
that produce colorless mana now say so explicitly--"Tap: Add 1 colorless mana
to your mana pool."
But the fact that there are colorless cards, and colorless mana, and
colorless everything else, does not mean that "colorless" is a color, as
has already been pointed out. It just means that the "color definition"
of something in Magic is not necesarily just one color; it can have more than
one color (Sliver Queen, for example), or it can have zero colors.
Chen
wrote:
>Colorless means is a color athlogh it is not one of the playable main
>founding colors.
at this point, you may want to visit www.m-w.com and look up the
meaning of "colorless".
>Thus a creature with protection from artifacts is not
>immune to a colorless creature.
why would it be? colors (or lack of colors) and artifacts are not
mutually exclusive. even if there was a COP: Colorless or Protection
from Colorless, colorless would still not be a color.
>Not to metion many lands produce
>colorless mana. Thus it is as much a color as any other color.
again - what does it mean when "less" is used as a suffix?
>Red, white. green, blue, black, and colorless. These are the
>characteristic color cataegories as they are played and effect game
>play. Thus (you won't like this) say you play sleight of mind. A legal
>choice of colos would be colorless thus allowing you to change the
>change a circle of protection to colorless rendering it nearly useless.
um, no. i dont even know where to begin.
>As far as this being a new color it is nothing of the sort rather it has
>always been around it is just that most people dismiss colorless.
as they should, since its illegal to use colorless as a color. the
dictionary definition for words really does come in handy sometimes.
>Just think about this in a logical manner.
oh, the irony.
>There is colorless mana,
>thus colorless mana sources and colorless creatures and the ability to
>make non-creature spells colorless. Doesn't this kind of make it
>equivelent to any other color? In all spoeaking it is almost possible
>to build a colorless deck with all the colorless card abilities and
>spell abilities out there. The only thing that colorless is missing is
>a symbol of it's own for use in the casting costs on a card.
ok, lets try this with an analogy, at the risk of taking things out of
context. i have white friends, black, yellow, red, and brown friends.
i do not have any colorless friends (unless you're extemely PC, this
is true for everyone). i have friends with brown eyes, green eyes, and
blue eyes. i dont know anyone with colorless eyes. now, if i wanted to
change the color of my skin, unless i replaced every inch of it with
some space-age cloaking substance, i would never be able to choose
"colorless" skin. now, water is colorless, glass is colorless. neither
water nor glass are colors, however.
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