Q: Winter Orb and phasing
Phaedrus
>Shimmer (When you play Shimmer, choose a land type. All lands of the
>chosen type gain phasing.)
>
>1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
>the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
>one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
Cards phase in in the same tapped/untapped state that they had when
they phased out. If the lands were tapped when they phased out, they'll
still be tapped when they phase in. Normally, this doesn't matter, because
phasing is handled at the _start_ of the untap phase, before the "untap
everything" effect occurs; so the phased-in cards will be untapped along
with everything else. But with Winter Orb in play, that won't happen;
the player can only untap one land.
>Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
>
>2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
>out at the _end of my opponent's turn_. Can I untap all the lands at my
>untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
Errrr, there's a slight technical problem here; the Illusionist can
only target creatures, and Winter Orb isn't a creature. But we'll ignore
that for the moment.
Phased-out permanents have no effect. So, yes, a phased-out Winter
Orb wouldn't prevent you from untapping all your lands. But, in this case,
the Winter Orb won't be phased out; since you controlled it when it
left play, it phases back in at the start of your untap phase--and again,
this is before the "untap everything" effect. So the Orb will work
normally.
If you want to build a "prison deck" around Winter Orb, don't try
to phase your Orb out at the end of your opponent's turn; just do something
that _taps_ it then--a Twiddle, an Icy Manipulator, a Mind Games, whatever.
"Pure artifacts"--artifacts that aren't creatures or enchantments--don't
have any effect when they're tapped. (There are a few exceptions, but they
don't apply here.) And you decide "What cards can I legally untap?" based
on the state of the board just _before_ the untap happens. So, since the
Orb is tapped, it doesn't prevent your lands from untapping, even though
you're untapping the Orb itself (and thus "turning it back on") as part
of the untap process. Since the Orb is now untapped, it will work normally
during your opponent's untap phase.
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jjchan
chosen type gain phasing.)
1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
out at the _end of my opponent's turn_. Can I untap all the lands at my
untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
JJ
Thierry Briand
>Shimmer (When you play Shimmer, choose a land type. All lands of the
>chosen type gain phasing.)
>
>1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
>the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
>one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
Any tapped land that phased out tapped will phase in tapped, all
those untapped will phase in untapped at the beggining of the untap.
Then you choose one land to untap and the "mass untap" happens.
>Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
>
>2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
>out at the _end of my opponent's turn_. Can I untap all the lands at my
>untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
This doesn't make sense. Since the Illusionist can only phase
creatures, you _can't_ phase out the Worb with the Illusionist.
Now, assuming you animate the Worb and make it a creature, unless
you phase it out _tapped_ it WILL make you untap only 1 land, since,
as I've said above, things phase in in the same tapped/untapped
position they were when they phased out, and they phase in before the
"mass untap". Therefore the Worb would phase in and make it's untap
restrictions.
Thierry Briand
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Thierry Briand
wrote:
>On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:28:12 +0800, jjchan <jjc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Shimmer (When you play Shimmer, choose a land type. All lands of the
>>chosen type gain phasing.)
>>
>>1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
>>the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
>>one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
> Any tapped land that phased out tapped will phase in tapped, all
>those untapped will phase in untapped at the beggining of the untap.
>Then you choose one land to untap and the "mass untap" happens.
>
>>Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
>>
>>2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
>>out at the _end of my opponent's turn_. Can I untap all the lands at my
>>untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
> This doesn't make sense. Since the Illusionist can only phase
>creatures, you _can't_ phase out the Worb with the Illusionist.
> Now, assuming you animate the Worb and make it a creature, unless
>you phase it out _tapped_ it WILL make you untap only 1 land, since,
>as I've said above, things phase in in the same tapped/untapped
>position they were when they phased out, and they phase in before the
>"mass untap". Therefore the Worb would phase in and make it's untap
>restrictions.
Just remembered something, even if you did turn the Worb into a
creature and phase it, it's a creature, so it's continuous ability
isn't shut off when tapped.
Just tap it the normal Worb and forget phasing it altogether :)
David DeLaney
>Shimmer (When you play Shimmer, choose a land type. All lands of the
>chosen type gain phasing.)
>
>1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
>the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
>one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
Only one can become untapped. They phase in at the start of your
untap phase; they would untap -during- your untap phase, but only
one can, because the Orb affects them when you try to do your mass untap
phase-ability.
>Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
>
>2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
>out at the _end of my opponent's turn_. Can I untap all the lands at my
>untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
Your Orb's ability works exactly as long as the Orb is in play. So if the
Orb phases out, its ability goes away right then. [Note that to do this
with the Vodalian Illusionist, you'll need a way to make the Orb into
a creature so that the VI can target it.]
However: since the Orb is something you controlled when it phased out ...
it will phase in at the start of your next untap phase. Which is about to
happen. And this is _before_ the mass untap phase ability ... so the Orb's
ability will be in effect _again_ by the time you would untap.
If you somehow gave the Orb to opponent, _then_ phased it out, it would
reappear at the beginning of _his_ untap phase instead.
Dave
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Ingo Kemper
>Shimmer (When you play Shimmer, choose a land type. All lands of the
>chosen type gain phasing.)
>
>1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
>the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
>one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
Phasing does not interact with your untapping your lands at all. The
lands will phase in exactly as they were when they phased out.
First you handle all automatic phasing, _then_ you deal with your
untap effect. Winter Orb will still allow you to untap only one land.
>Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
>
>2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
>out at the _end of my opponent's turn_. Can I untap all the lands at my
>untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
No, you can't untap your lands. Your Winter Orb will phase in _before_
you get to play your mass-untap effect. (And Vodalian Illusionist
can't phase out noncreature artifacts anyway.)
Use something else (like an Icy Manipulator) to tap your Winter Orb
instead.
Ingo Kemper
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Maarten van Beek
>
> Shimmer (When you play Shimmer, choose a land type. All lands of the
> chosen type gain phasing.)
>
> 1. When a Winter Orb is in play, my opponent plays a Shimmer. After all
> the land phase out, do they phase in and all will become untap, or only
> one can be untap due to the effect of Winter Orb?
>
they will phase in in the state they were in when they phased out. Then
during your untap phase, you may select one of your tapped lands to
untap with your mass untap effect.
> Vodalian Illusionist(UU, TAP: Target creature phases out.)
>
> 2. I play an Winter Orb. And I use a vodalian illusionist to phase it
> out at the _end of my opponent's turn_.
After you turned the Winter Orb into a creature using Animate
Artifact......
> Can I untap all the lands at my
> untap phase, or do I still suffer from my Winter Orb?
At the _beginning_ of your untap phase, your Winter Orb will phase back
in. A little while later, _during_ your untap phase, the Winter Orb is
sitting in play, and you can only untap one land. Try tapping the Winter
Orb instead. A tapped non-land, non-creature artifact will have it's
abilities turned off. So tapping your winter orb (e.g with an icy
manipulator) at the end of your opponent's turn will make all your lands
untap together with the orb, but when your opponent's untap phase comes,
your winter orb will only let him untap one land.
Maarten van Beek
mailto:winte...@blacklotus.demon.nl
Maarten van Beek
> If you want to build a "prison deck" around Winter Orb, don't try
> to phase your Orb out at the end of your opponent's turn; just do something
> that _taps_ it then--a Twiddle, an Icy Manipulator, a Mind Games, whatever.
> "Pure artifacts"--artifacts that aren't creatures or enchantments--
Ehhh.... dont you mean "creatures or lands" ?
K.6.4 - The abilities of an artifact, which is not also a creature or
a
land, are "turned off" when the artifact is in a tapped state. This
includes continuous abilities (see Rule A.4), triggered abilities
(see
Rule A.8), activated abilities (see Rule A.2), phase abilities (see
Rule A.5), and more. [Fifth Edition, Page 15]
It says nothing about enchantments.
(I knew you knew that, but I had to say it).
Maarten van Beek
mailto:smar...@blacklotus.demon.nl