Fellwar stone when opponent has no land.
Steve Wyeth
first turn draws. In about one in three games, the following
sequence happens:
Land
Tap Land to cast Sol ring
Tap Sol Ring to cast Fellwar Stone
and before too long big and nasty creatures and spells are
appearing...
One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
He can't get mana of a particular colour since I have no
lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
Steve.
Jonas Torstensson
ste...@dougal.logica.co.uk says...
Nope, he can only get mana of the colour that Your land(s) can produce,
and if You don´t have any land, he cannot get any mana from the Stone.
This is often abused (unintentionally) later in games, say after an
Armageddon or Jokulhaups, when players try to tap their Stones for mana,
even though the opponent does not have any land in play.
This also means that if Your opponent have Fellwars in play when You cast
Armageddon/Land Equilibrium, they won´t be able to get any mana from them
i.e. You don´t have to bother about the stones as mana-sources :-)
(Just a thought)
Totte
"There can be only one"
Gordon Pfeiffer
land.>, 'ste...@dougal.logica.co.uk (Steve Wyeth)' wrote:
>A friend of mine has an annoying amount of luck with his
>first turn draws. In about one in three games, the following
>sequence happens:
>
>Land
>Tap Land to cast Sol ring
>Tap Sol Ring to cast Fellwar Stone
>
>and before too long big and nasty creatures and spells are
>appearing...
>
>One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
>to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
>He can't get mana of a particular colour since I have no
>lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
>it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
>
>Steve.
producing lands in play. no land, no mana from the fellwar stone. also,
you can't get mana if all your opponent has out is a maze of ith,
tabernacle at pendrell vale, sorrow's path, etc.
on the plus side, you can get any color if they have a rainbow vale or city
of brass in play.
fred pfeiffer
James D. Ludlow
Source: http://www.perl.com/deckmaster/
Cannot be tapped for mana if opponent has no mana producing lands. [bethmo
09/26/94]
As errata, it should be read as saying ``any opponent''. [Duelist Magazine
#4, Page 64]
The generated mana is of the color the land would produce if tapped for
mana after applying any effects on that land (such as Phantasmal Terrain
or Reality Twist). [Aahz 07/11/95]
It only produces one mana even if the land can produce more than one. [
08/02/95]
Can generate any of the colors the land can produce, even if the land is
one of the Homelands lands which has a cost in addition to tapping in order
to generate that mana. [ 10/27/95]
The Dark version of this card can only generate colored mana. It cannot
generate colorless mana if an opponent controls a land that generates
colorless mana. [Duelist Magazine #5, Page 10] (This is a REVERSAL).
Does not carry any restrictions on the use of the mana that the original
land might have had. [Aahz 08/01/95]
The Fourth Edition version of the card can generate colorless mana if the
opponent has a land that does so. [Duelist Magazine #5, Page 10]
The generated mana has any restrictions that the land's mana would have
had. For example, if they have a Mishra's Workshop you could generate
colorless mana only usable for casting artifacts. [Aahz 08/01/95]
James D. Ludlow
: A friend of mine has an annoying amount of luck with his
: first turn draws. In about one in three games, the following
: sequence happens:
:
: Land
: Tap Land to cast Sol ring
: Tap Sol Ring to cast Fellwar Stone
:
: and before too long big and nasty creatures and spells are
: appearing...
:
: One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
: to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
: He can't get mana of a particular colour since I have no
: lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
: it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
:
: Steve.
Straight from the rulings at Mox Perl: http://www.perl.com/deckmaster/
Cannot be tapped for mana if opponent has no mana producing lands. [bethmo
09/26/94]
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jdlu...@mtu.edu Electrical Engineering
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Craig Spencer
In article <stevew.14...@dougal.logica.co.uk>, ste...@dougal.logica.co.uk (Steve Wyeth) writes:
>One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
>to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
>He can't get mana of a particular colour since I have no
>lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
>it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
I believe it depends on what version card you are using. I know the
fourth edition ones cannot produce mana unless there is a mana
producing land in play for an opponent.
I have a vague recollection that the original will produce
colourless though.
Hope this helps a bit,
Craig.
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Mike Marcelais
| In article <stevew.14...@dougal.logica.co.uk>, ste...@dougal.logica.co.uk (Steve Wyeth) writes:
| >One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
| >to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
| >He can't get mana of a particular colour since I have no
| >lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
| >it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
| I believe it depends on what version card you are using. I know the
| fourth edition ones cannot produce mana unless there is a mana
| producing land in play for an opponent.
| I have a vague recollection that the original will produce
| colourless though.
Nope. If your opponent has _no_ land, then Fellwar stone will make
_no_ mana.
The versions matter for color: The Dark version can _only_ make
colored mana, but it will remove all restrictions on that mana since
it only copies the color.
The 4E version can make colorless mana, but any restrictions on the
original mana are still there on the generated mana since it copies
everything about the mana.
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David DeLaney
>One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
>to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
No. Neither version can be used at all when opponent has no lands.
>He can't get mana of a particular colour since I have no
>lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
>it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
It means he can't use it. Yes, it says "Tap for one mana"; the next
sentence, however, restricts what mana it can be tapped for, and
in particular means that no type/color of mana can be produced when
opponent has no lands. Not being able to produce any type/color of mana
is not the same as "Produces 1 colorless mana".
Dave
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Paul Barclay
> In article <stevew.14...@dougal.logica.co.uk>, ste...@dougal.logica.co.uk (Steve Wyeth) writes:
> >One question occurred to me. Can he tap his Fellwar Stone
> >to produce colourless mana if I haven't laid any lands yet?
> >lands out to do this - so does it revert to colourless, or does
> >it mean that he can't tap it for mana?
>
> fourth edition ones cannot produce mana unless there is a mana
> producing land in play for an opponent.
> I have a vague recollection that the original will produce
> colourless though.
Not quite. The 4E Fellwar stone can produce colourless mana if your
opponent has a land which can produce colourless mana. The Dark
Fellwar Stone is _only_ allowed to produce coloured mana. It cannot
produce colourless mana even if one of your opponent's lands can.
Neither Fellwar can produce mana if your opponent controls no mana
producing lands.
Paul Barclay.