Soul Echo Echo Echo (yo Tom!)
David Bedno
If you have multiple Soul Echoes in play, can your opponent
choose to remove one counter from each Soul Echo? The card reads...
-Soul Echo
-When you play Soul Echo, put X echo counters on it. At the beginning of
-your upkeep, if there are no echo counters on Soul Echo bury it; otherwise,
-target opponent may choose that for each 1 damage dealt to you until your
-next upkeep, you instead remove 1 echo counter from Soul Echo. You do
-not lose the game as a result of having less than 1 life.
I consider this to be a similar case as having multiple Ivory Guardians;
it's not a cost to be paid, but triggered effect of the Soul Echo.
But I could be convinced otherwise, given the wording.
Any opinions? Tom?
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>If you have multiple Soul Echoes in play, can your opponent
>choose to remove one counter from each Soul Echo? The card reads...
*snip*
>I consider this to be a similar case as having multiple Ivory Guardians;
>it's not a cost to be paid, but triggered effect of the Soul Echo.
>But I could be convinced otherwise, given the wording.
This is a snip from a previous conversation; I had asked some screwy
Soul Echo questions too... (My question is the first snip)
| >| And if there were two Soul Echos in play, from what I can draw from
| >| this conversation, I can elect to have a Soul Echo without counters
| >| try to remove counters from itself to prevent damage to me, while the
| >| SE with counters sits there and looks bored... or am I being too
| >| optmistic?
|
| >Problem: Soul Echo buried itself at the BEGINNING of upkeep if it runs out
| >of counters. You only get to make the choice about taking damage vs removing
| >counters if there are counters on the Soul Echo.
|
| Solution: Previous damage _this turn_ has already removed all counters
| from one SE - the other one has counters, though. If my opponent
| chose during my upkeep for both SEs to take damage for me, and I
| receive damage from another source this turn, would the SE without
| counters step in and stop it?
>Ah...I see. If you have two SE with counters and one of them runs out, then
>it will still take the damage to itself, removing counters from itself
>(unsucessfully). The other Soul Echo will look bored and not do anything.
>You cannot choose to have both Soul Echos lose counters: During your upkeep,
>one of the Soul Echos becomes the `SE taking damage' and the other SE will
>never see any damage, even if it is also set on the `remove counters instead
>of losing life' mode.
Does that answer your question ok?
David DeLaney
drs...@crl.com (David Bedno) writes:
>If you have multiple Soul Echoes in play, can your opponent
>choose to remove one counter from each Soul Echo?
He may choose to have each Soul Echo go into "remove counters" mode.
If he chooses for more than one of your Soul Echos to be removing counters,
then each time you get damaged, each of them will try to replace the damage
at the end of the damage-prevention step ... and following the normal
specialized-effect rules, you get to deal with them in any order. In this
case, that means the first one you deal with will suck up all the damage
from that d-p step, remove as many counters as it sucked damage, or remove
as many counters as it still has if it doesn't have enough. The others will
then find the damage has all been sucked up and will sit there waiting.
Dave
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