One Exploration = 3 lands a turn?!?
Andy Jakcsy
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Q: I have an Exploration in play and I used it this turn (having played a
second land). Later in that turn I use Words of Wind to return two permanents
to my hand, and I return Exploration and a land. I play Exploration again. Can
I play an additional land?
A: Yes, you can. When you play Exploration again, this is a “new”
Exploration, which has the effect of letting you play an additional land. It
doesn’t look at anything else you have done this turn, so you’re free to
play the land you returned again.
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I don't get this. Here's what I'm getting...Exploration allows you to play two
lands a turn (one normally, and one by Exploration). It gets returned to your
hand, meaning you're now allowed only one land a turn, but since you've already
played one land (you played two when it was legal), you can't play any. Play
Exploration again. Which bumps your lands-per-turn alotment to two again. BUT
since you've played two lands already (albeit to a different Exploration), you
can't play a land. Wouldn't that be the case? Or is it that you haven't
played a land by THIS Exploration this turn that makes Rune's ruling right?
Exploration
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You may play an extra land during each of your turns.
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Lee Sharpe
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> In Saturday School #56, Rune Horvik sez:
>
> <<
> Q: I have an Exploration in play and I used it this turn (having
> played a second land). Later in that turn I use Words of Wind to
> return two permanents to my hand, and I return Exploration and a
> land. I play Exploration again. Can I play an additional land?
>
> A: Yes, you can. When you play Exploration again, this is a "new"
> Exploration, which has the effect of letting you play an additional
> land. It doesn't look at anything else you have done this turn, so
> you're free to
> play the land you returned again.
>>>
>
> I don't get this. Here's what I'm getting...Exploration allows you
> to play two lands a turn (one normally, and one by Exploration). It
> gets returned to your hand, meaning you're now allowed only one land
> a turn, but since you've already played one land (you played two when
> it was legal), you can't play any. Play Exploration again. Which
> bumps your lands-per-turn alotment to two again. BUT since you've
> played two lands already (albeit to a different Exploration), you
> can't play a land. Wouldn't that be the case? Or is it that you
> haven't played a land by THIS Exploration this turn that makes Rune's
> ruling right?
While this is not stated in Rune's comments above, with Exploration, when
you play a land, you need to say how you're doing so (via an Exploration or
normal land drop). Because the game recognizes the Exploration as a
different permanent once it leaves play and comes back, you have the total
opportunity to play 3 lands.
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Daniel W. Johnson
> In Saturday School #56, Rune Horvik sez:
>
> <<
> Q: I have an Exploration in play and I used it this turn (having played a
> second land). Later in that turn I use Words of Wind to return two permanents
> to my hand, and I return Exploration and a land. I play Exploration again. Can
> I play an additional land?
>
> A: Yes, you can. When you play Exploration again, this is a "new"
> Exploration, which has the effect of letting you play an additional land. It
> doesn't look at anything else you have done this turn, so you're free to
> play the land you returned again.
> >>
>
> I don't get this. Here's what I'm getting...Exploration allows you to
> play two lands a turn (one normally, and one by Exploration). It gets
> returned to your hand, meaning you're now allowed only one land a turn,
> but since you've already played one land (you played two when it was
> legal), you can't play any. Play Exploration again. Which bumps your
> lands-per-turn alotment to two again.
This isn't FLUXX. There is no "lands-per-turn alotment" that
Exploration increases by one. When you use the Exploration ability, you
completely ignore the usual once-per-turn limit.
212.6b A player may play only one land card during each of his or her
own turns. Effects may allow the playing of additional lands; playing an
additional land in this way doesn't prevent a player from taking the
normal action of playing a land. Players can't begin to play a land that
an effect prohibits from being played. As a player plays a land, he or
she announces whether he or she is using the once-per-turn action of
playing a land. If not, he or she specifies which effect is allowing the
additional land play. Effects may also allow you to "put" lands into
play. This isn't the same as "playing a land" and doesn't count as the
player's one land played during his or her turn.
> BUT
> since you've played two lands already (albeit to a different Exploration), you
> can't play a land. Wouldn't that be the case? Or is it that you haven't
> played a land by THIS Exploration this turn that makes Rune's ruling right?
Exploration doesn't care how many lands you may or may not have played
using other effects. It doesn't change the number in rule 212.6b from
"one" to "two". It just lets you play one extra land.
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David DeLaney
>In Saturday School #56, Rune Horvik sez:
><<
>Q: I have an Exploration in play and I used it this turn (having played a
>second land). Later in that turn I use Words of Wind to return two permanents
>to my hand, and I return Exploration and a land. I play Exploration again. Can
>I play an additional land?
>
>Exploration, which has the effect of letting you play an additional land. It
>doesn't look at anything else you have done this turn, so you're free to
>play the land you returned again.
>>>
Correct, with the Microsoft high-ASCII characters cruelly snip't.
>I don't get this. Here's what I'm getting...Exploration allows you to play two
>lands a turn (one normally, and one by Exploration).
No. Read it closely; it allows you to play _one_ additional land. It doesn't
interfere at all with your regular land-drop; in particular, it doesn't
"allow" the regular land-drop. You have to say, if there's a choice, which
reason for playing a land you are using.
>It gets returned to your
>hand, meaning you're now allowed only one land a turn,
Not exactly. Meaning the only way you now have to play a land is given by
the rulebook.
>but since you've already
>played one land (you played two when it was legal), you can't play any.
Nope. If you specified you were playing the extra land Exploration allowed,
that doesn't affect the one land the rules allow you to play _at all_. You
may play _that_ land before, during, or after Exploration is in play,
regardless of whether you played Exploration's additional land or not.
> Play
>Exploration again. Which bumps your lands-per-turn alotment to two again.
Again, no. Nothing is keeping track of "total number of lands you are allowed
to play in the future this turn". The rules say you can play one; Exploration
says you can play an additional one. A _new_ Exploration, such as the one
that just came into play? Says you may play _an additional_ one. Meaning in
addition to any you've already played. This is a different Exploration
permanent (though it's the same card); it has no idea a previous Exploration
permanent was around, or that that previous Exploration's ability was used.
> BUT
>since you've played two lands already (albeit to a different Exploration), you
>can't play a land. Wouldn't that be the case? Or is it that you haven't
>played a land by THIS Exploration this turn that makes Rune's ruling right?
You haven't played a land this turn using THIS Exploration's granted
additional-land-play.
Dave
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