Illusionary Terrain Question
James Crockart
Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type of your choice.
If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into Bayoues?
I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it effected by
the above spell?
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Paul Barclay
> >
> > Illusionary Terrain IA UU
> > Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
> > All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type of your choice.
> >
> > If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into Bayoues?
> >
> > I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it effected by
> > the above spell?
> >
Strange one, this. The Taiga will stay as a Taiga, but it will now
count as a Swamp and a Forest. Therefore, it will act exactly like a
Bayou for game purposes, but will still be called a Taiga.
Paul Barclay.
Peter C Grauer
>
> Illusionary Terrain IA UU
> Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
> All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type of your choice.
>
> If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into Bayoues?
>
> I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it effected by
> the above spell?
>
No. The Taiga will be a Taiga.
Pete Grauer
Vancouver, BC
Gene Schwartzman
wrote:
+>> ya...@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au (James Crockart) wrote:
+>> >
+>> > Illusionary Terrain IA UU
+>> > Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
+>> > All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type
of your choice.
+>> >
+>> > If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into Bayoues?
+>> >
+>> > I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it
effected by
+>> > the above spell?
+>> >
+>> No. The Taiga will be a Taiga.
+>
+>Strange one, this. The Taiga will stay as a Taiga, but it will now
+>count as a Swamp and a Forest. Therefore, it will act exactly like a
+>Bayou for game purposes, but will still be called a Taiga.
+>
+> Paul Barclay.
Ummm.. I don't think so... the card specifically states all _BASIC_ land
of one type become basic land of another type. Last time I checked Taiga
was NOT a basic land and thus it is immune to the effects of Illusionary
Terrain.
Gene
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Thomas R Wylie
James Crockart <ya...@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au> wrote:
>Illusionary Terrain IA UU
>Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
>of your choice.
>
In the Revised text, they turn into Bayous, since a global effect that
applies to a certain land type will apply to the appropriate half of a
multilands. In the Unlimited text, the entire Taiga turns into a Swamp.
Note that most people who have significant numbers of multilands are aware
enough of card changes to play with updated texts, so you'll probably get
funny looks if you try and turn old Taigas into swamps this way.
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Gene Schwartzman
Wylie) wrote:
+>James Crockart <ya...@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au> wrote:
+>>Illusionary Terrain IA UU
+>>Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
+>>All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type
+>>of your choice.
+>>
+>>If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into Bayoues?
+>>I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it
effected by
+>>the above spell?
+>
+>In the Revised text, they turn into Bayous, since a global effect that
+>applies to a certain land type will apply to the appropriate half of a
+>multilands. In the Unlimited text, the entire Taiga turns into a Swamp.
+>
+>Note that most people who have significant numbers of multilands are aware
+>enough of card changes to play with updated texts, so you'll probably get
+>funny looks if you try and turn old Taigas into swamps this way.
+>
What I am curious about, then, is will there ever be an errata about
Illusionary Terrain? The reason I am asking is because the cards says
that it turns all basic land of one type into a basic land of another
type. When dealing with multi-lands, the targetting is determines whether
or not a land is a basic land, and since dual lands are not, I would think
that they are not legal targets to Illusionary Terrain, unlike Phantasmal
Terrain which targets ANY land. Yes, I know the ruling od dual lands and
effects for one type, etc.. etc.. such as flashfires, acid rain,
landwalking, etc... but what I am wondering about is the fact that
Illusionary Terrain targets BASIC land... not something that HAS basic
land abilities built into it. I would understand if Illusionary Terrain
had said "Target basic land type becomes a different basic land type,
etc.. " Then it would effect dual-lands because it targets the basic land
type (forest, mountain, island, plain, swamp) not the basic land itself...
Just some thoughts... The ironic part is given this ruling, my merfolk
deck is going to be so much more powerful :)
Mike Marcelais
| Illusionary Terrain IA UU
| Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
| If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into Bayoues?
| I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it effected by
| the above spell?
No, because Taigas are not basic lands and Illusionary Terrain only
affects basic lands. For IT to affect multilands, it would have to say
something like:
`All land of one basic land type becomes land of a different basic land type
of your choice.'
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Thomas R Wylie
Mike Marcelais <mrma...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>No, because Taigas are not basic lands and Illusionary Terrain only
Which I forgot when responding to this thread originally.
JH
>> Illusionary Terrain IA UU
>> Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
>> All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type
of your choice.
>>
>> If I declair that 'Mountains' will be Swamps do Taigas turn into
Bayoues?
>>
>> I know Taigas aren't basic lands but is the 'mountain' part of it
effected by
>> the above spell?
>>
>
>Vancouver, BC
WRONG.
This was answered long time ago in The Duelist.
Taiga counts as a mountain and a forest, therefore it
does in fact become a Bayou under this circumstance.
Mike Marcelais
Except that Illusionary terrtain specifically states that it only
changes BASIC land and a Taiga is not a BASIC land.
Frank Tore Johansen
Mike Marcelais <mrma...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>My spies tell me that James Crockart (ya...@ntx.city.unisa.edu.au) wrote:
>| Illusionary Terrain IA UU
>| Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
>| All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type of your choice.
New question:
Can I say that Forests turn into Snow-covered Swamps? After all,
snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
if I played with cold-snap.
-Frank.
Jay Elmore
Frank Tore Johansen <fra...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>>| Illusionary Terrain IA UU
>>| Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
>>| All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type
>>| of your choice.
>New question:
>Can I say that Forests turn into Snow-covered Swamps? After all,
>snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
>if I played with cold-snap.
Snow-Covered Lands:
Think of "snow-covered" as another adjective about a card, like color or
artifactness. For example, a land can be a basic Plains and be animated,
snow-covered, artifact and blue all at once.
The rulebook says "Snow-covered lands are considered basic lands." What
this means is that the cards named "Snow-covered XXXX" are considered to
be basic XXXX cards. [D'Angelo 06/08/95] More accurately, the rule
should have been written that "Snow-covered lands are treated like
non-snow-covered lands of the same type". [bethmo 07/24/95]
They are considered to be of the proper basic land type. Anything which
affects Plains will affect a Snow-Covered Plains. Forestwalk will work
on a Snow-Covered Forest. [Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132] Land Tax and
other cards that look for basic lands also work on them.
[Duelist Magazine #7, Page 8]
Effects that change a land type, like Phantasmal Terrain, cannot give a
land Snow-Covered nature or take it away. [Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132]
If you change a Snow-Covered Forest to a Mountain with Phantasmal
Terrain, then it is a Snow-Covered Mountain.
Cards which require Snow-Covered lands only work on such lands. Ones that
only require a land type work whether or not it is Snow-Covered.
[Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132]
Cards which look for a kind of landwalk work whether or not the landwalk
is more specific or not. For example, an effect that targets a creature
with IslandWalk will work on one with Snow-Covered IslandWalk.
[Duelist Magazine #8, Page 51]
If you manage to make a non-basic land gain the snow-covered attribute, it
does not become a basic land. [Duelist Magazine #7, Page 8]
Jay (=
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Mike Marcelais
| In article <4er91q$l...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
| Mike Marcelais <mrma...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
| >| Illusionary Terrain IA UU
| >| Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
| >| All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type of your choice.
| New question:
| Can I say that Forests turn into Snow-covered Swamps? After all,
| snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
| if I played with cold-snap.
You can't do this. If an effect changes land types, then it leaves
`snow-coveredness' alone. If you use IT to change Forests to Swampls,
then Forests become Swamps and Snow-Covered Forests becomes Snow-Covered
Swamps.
Snow-Covered Lands:
Effects that change a land type, like Phantasmal Terrain, cannot give a
land Snow-Covered nature or take it away. [Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132]
If you change a Snow-Covered Forest to a Mountain with Phantasmal Terrain,
then it is a Snow-Covered Mountain.
Thomas R Wylie
>snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
>if I played with cold-snap.
When you pick a basic land type, you just pick "swamp", "island", "forest",
"plains", or "mountain". You can't choose "snow-covered X". Changing
a land's type doesn't change whether it's snow-covered.
Keary Birch
<jel...@netcom.com> writes
>In article <4ffk56$4...@surt.ifi.uio.no>,
>>>| Cumulative Upkeep: 2.
>>>| All basic lands of one type become basic lands of a different type
>>>| of your choice.
>
>>New question:
>
>>snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
>>if I played with cold-snap.
>
> Think of "snow-covered" as another adjective about a card, like color or
> artifactness. For example, a land can be a basic Plains and be animated,
> snow-covered, artifact and blue all at once.
> The rulebook says "Snow-covered lands are considered basic lands." What
> this means is that the cards named "Snow-covered XXXX" are considered to
> be basic XXXX cards. [D'Angelo 06/08/95] More accurately, the rule
> should have been written that "Snow-covered lands are treated like
> non-snow-covered lands of the same type". [bethmo 07/24/95]
> They are considered to be of the proper basic land type. Anything which
> affects Plains will affect a Snow-Covered Plains. Forestwalk will work
> on a Snow-Covered Forest. [Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132] Land Tax and
> other cards that look for basic lands also work on them.
> [Duelist Magazine #7, Page 8]
> land Snow-Covered nature or take it away. [Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132]
> If you change a Snow-Covered Forest to a Mountain with Phantasmal
> Terrain, then it is a Snow-Covered Mountain.
> only require a land type work whether or not it is Snow-Covered.
> is more specific or not. For example, an effect that targets a creature
> with IslandWalk will work on one with Snow-Covered IslandWalk.
> [Duelist Magazine #8, Page 51]
> If you manage to make a non-basic land gain the snow-covered attribute, it
> does not become a basic land. [Duelist Magazine #7, Page 8]
>
>Jay (=
an Island, then Snow Cover it with an Arcum's Weathervane, and if he
then disenchants the Phantasmal Terrain he ends up with a Snow Covered
City of Brass?? Wierd.
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Chris Mattern
: In article <jelmoreD...@netcom.com>, Jay Elmore
Yep. You got it exactly. That's also about the only way for a player
to wind up with a non-basic snow-covered land.
Chris Mattern
Craig Spencer
>Can I say that Forests turn into Snow-covered Swamps? After all,
>snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
>if I played with cold-snap.
I just researched that question for myself the other day. The answer was that
"Snow-covered" is an adjective, and so determines an attribute of the land,
rather than another type of land.
The effect is that you can change a Forest to a Swamp, and a Snow-Covered
Forest to a Snow-Covered Swamp, but you can't change a Forest to a Snow-Covered
Swamp.
You have to use cards like Arcum's Weathervane if you want to add or remove
the Snow-Covered adjective.
As an extra, this also was used to rule that Swampwalking can use Snow-Covered
Swamps, but Snow-Covered Swampwalking cannot use Swamps.
Hope this clarifies things for you.
Craig.
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**>>Please answer this question for me.
**>> An opponent has a Psychic Venom on one of my lands. We both have
1 Icy
**>>Manipulator in play. He taps my P-V'd land with his Icy, I tap his
Icy
**>>with my Icy. How is this resolved? Do I still recieve damage from
the
**>>P-V.?
**>>Thanks in advance
He taps his icy to tap your land.....
You tap your icy to tap his icy.....
resolution...
your icy taps his icy, but it is already tapped, so nothing happens..
his icy taps your land, you take damage from the PV.....
Thomas R Wylie
David Gulczynski <fid...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> An opponent has a Psychic Venom on one of my lands. We both have 1 Icy
The land simply becomes tapped by the Icy's effect. This does not cause
the land to produce mana (though your opponent can tap the land for mana
before Icy's effect resolves), but does cause the Venom to trigger.
David Gulczynski
Please answer this question for me.
An opponent has a Psychic Venom on one of my lands. We both have 1 Icy
Manipulator in play. He taps my P-V'd land with his Icy, I tap his Icy
with my Icy. How is this resolved? Do I still recieve damage from the
P-V.?
Thanks in advance
Dave
Hans J. Messersmith
being used. You can only force your opponent to choose to use it at a time of
your choosing. He has already tapped his Icy Manipulator to produce the
effect (tapping is part of the cost of using its effect), hence tapping it
with your Icy Manipulator really doesn't help. The effects are resolved in
reverse order of their announcement, but your land will still be tapped after
your Icy Manipulator vainly attempts to tap a tapped Icy Manipulator.
Hans the Self Declared Rules Guru
David DeLaney
>Hmmm. Does this mean that I can Phantasmal Terrain his City of Brass to
>an Island, then Snow Cover it with an Arcum's Weathervane, and if he
>then disenchants the Phantasmal Terrain he ends up with a Snow Covered
>City of Brass?? Wierd.
Yes. And yes.
The only way to end up with a non-basic snow-covered land, at present,
involves the land being a basic land for some reason when the snow-coveredness
is added [via Arcum's Weathervane].
Dave
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Mike Marcelais
| : The only way to end up with a non-basic snow-covered land, at present,
| : involves the land being a basic land for some reason when the snow-coveredness
| : is added [via Arcum's Weathervane].
| Sorry, but have i missed something here?
| Why cant i just use the Weathervane on a nonbasic land?? I havent got the card
| with me right now but i cant remember reading "target basic land" on the Weathervane.
Arcum's Weathervane iU Artifact 2
(2T): Target snow-covered land becomes a non-snow-covered land of the same
type. Mark the changed land with a counter.
(2T): Target non-snow-covered basic land becomes a snow-covered land of the
same type. Mark the changed land with a counter.
You can only make _basic_ land snowcovered; you can `unsnowcover' any land.
Jay Elmore
Syren Baran <fro...@cip.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:
>: The only way to end up with a non-basic snow-covered land, at present,
>: involves the land being a basic land for some reason when the
>: snow-coveredness is added [via Arcum's Weathervane].
>Sorry, but have i missed something here?
Yep. :)
>Why cant i just use the Weathervane on a nonbasic land?? I havent got
>the card with me right now but i cant remember reading "target basic
>land" on the Weathervane.
Arcum's Weathervane
2,T: Target snow-covered land becomes a non-snow-covered land of the same
type. Mark the changed land with a counter.
2,T: Target non-snow-covered basic land becomes a snow-covered land of
the same type. Mark the changed land with a counter.
One of the better combos right now is Orcish Farmer and Arcum's
Weathervane." Turn the land into a basic swamp, then give it
snow-coveredness with the Weathervane.
"Snow-covered" is considered to be a property of a card (much like color,
"artifact"-ness, "creature"-ness, and so forth); you can't grant or
remove "snow-covered" with cards that change a land's type; you can only
change the type of snow-covered (or non-snow-covered) land.
Jay (=
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Paul Barclay
> mrma...@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Marcelais) writes:
>
> >>> My spies tell me that Frank Tore Johansen (fra...@ifi.uio.no) wrote:
> >>>
> >>> | snow-covered lands are basic lands, and it would happen to be nasty
> >>> | if I played with cold-snap.
> >>>
> >>> `snow-coveredness' alone. If you use IT to change Forests to Swampls,
> >>> then Forests become Swamps and Snow-Covered Forests becomes Snow-Covered
> >>>
> >>> Swamps.Snow-Covered Lands:
> >>> land Snow-Covered nature or take it away. [Duelist Magazine #6, Page 132]
> >>> If you change a Snow-Covered Forest to a Mountain with Phantasmal Terrain,
> >>> then it is a Snow-Covered Mountain.
>
>
> If I PhanTerr a Strip Mine, it loses its StripMinedness. If I
> PhanTerr a Sulpherous Springs, it loses its SulpherousSpringedness.
> etc. etc.
Snow-coveredness is an ability of the land. If you think of the land
being in a very cold area, with snow falling on it all the time, then
you can possibly see the logical reasons why snow-coveredness does
not dissapear with the Phantasmal Terrain: Phatasmal Terrain changes
the underlying land, but it will not care about the layer of snow that
is on top. The fact that you can produce a snow-covered Desert (yes,
you can, although it's a bit tricky), is neither here or there, but it
is very silly.
Paul Barclay.