What happens with a Gaseous Form Blocker ?
Martin
I thinking what happens if a creature is enchanted with Gaseous form, since
it, recieves nor damages a creature when blocking, what happens when it
blocks a creature with Trample.
I think it blocks all the damage, say a 6/6 creature with Trample is blocked
by a 1/1 creature with Gaseous form nothing passes through right ? if not
what happens ? I some how believe that since it takes no damage all damage
dealt to it is not passed on to the controller. Sorta of a query me and
another player has. As he says it gets passed through, but the 1/1 creature
with Gaseous form lives, and I the controller get the remaining 5 damage,
but I say it is the former, I get no damage , and my creature stays alive.
Thanks...
Martin
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In article <67m5c7$msv$1...@heliodor.xara.net>,
Martin <sha...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I thinking what happens if a creature is enchanted with Gaseous form, since
>it, recieves nor damages a creature when blocking, what happens when it
>blocks a creature with Trample.
You will hear two different answers to that question. That's because
there are two different versions of the Gaseous Form card, with different
effects.
Under the old version, the Gaseous Form'ed creature could not deal damage,
and all damage dealt to it was reduced to zero. In that case, then when it
blocked a trampling creature, all of the trampler's damage would be assigned
to it, and reduced to zero. So there would be no damage left to trample
through to the defender.
Under the new version, the Gaseous Form'ed creature cannot deal _or
receive_ damage. "Cannot receive damage" is different from "Damage is reduced
to zero"; if a creature "cannot receive damage", then it can't have damage
assigned to it in the first place. So, in this case, when it blocks a
creature, the attacking creature can't assign damage to the Gaseous Form'ed
blocker, since the card says so. But it can't assign damage to the defending
player either, since it was blocked. For ordinary creatures, that just means
that the attacker doesn't assign damage at all. But there's a special rule
for tramplers; if a trampling attacker can't legally assign damage to any of
its blockers, it deals full damage to the defending player, whether or not it
was blocked. So, under the new Gaseous Form, the trampling attacker deals its
full damage to the defender.
In tournaments, you always play cards as if they were their most recent
versions. So all Gaseous Forms, even the old "reduce to zero" ones, are
played as if they had the new "cannot receive damage" text.
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Martin <sha...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<67m5c7$msv$1...@heliodor.xara.net>...
> I thinking what happens if a creature is enchanted with Gaseous form,
since
> it, recieves nor damages a creature when blocking, what happens when it
> blocks a creature with Trample.
Because the blocker can not receive damage, all the trample damage goes
through to the defending player. Note that if it had been something that
reduced damage to zero, like protection, the damage would be erased, and so
none would trample over.
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Vikram Chinduluri
No, I believe that the Gaseous formed creature "recieves no combat damage",
so it takes 0 damage, and the full 6 points of trample damage are done to
you.
Vik
Martin <sha...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in article
<67m5c7$msv$1...@heliodor.xara.net>...
> I thinking what happens if a creature is enchanted with Gaseous form,
since
> it, recieves nor damages a creature when blocking, what happens when it
> blocks a creature with Trample.
>
> I think it blocks all the damage, say a 6/6 creature with Trample is
blocked
> by a 1/1 creature with Gaseous form nothing passes through right ? if not
> what happens ? I some how believe that since it takes no damage all
damage
David DeLaney
In a previous article, sha...@globalnet.co.uk (Martin) says:
>I thinking what happens if a creature is enchanted with Gaseous form, since
>it, recieves nor damages a creature when blocking, what happens when it
>blocks a creature with Trample.
Trample combat damage is special.
If a normal attacker is blocked, but can't dealt combat damage to its
blocker(s), for whatever reason, then it deals no combat damage at all.
But if an attacker with _Trample_ is blocked, and can't deal combat damage
to its blocker(s), it then deals all its Trample damage straight to defender
instead.
>I think it blocks all the damage, say a 6/6 creature with Trample is blocked
>by a 1/1 creature with Gaseous form nothing passes through right ? if not
>what happens ? I some how believe that since it takes no damage all damage
>dealt to it is not passed on to the controller.
For Trample combat damage, it has to go -somewhere-. [Normal combat damage
doesn't have this special qualit.] It either gets dealt to the creature(s)
that block(s) the attacker ... or it gets dealt straight to defender if there's
_no_ blocker it can be dealt to.
>Sorta of a query me and
>another player has. As he says it gets passed through, but the 1/1 creature
>with Gaseous form lives, and I the controller get the remaining 5 damage,
>but I say it is the former, I get no damage , and my creature stays alive.
Both are wrong. The creature with Gaseous Form on it gets dealt _no_ combat
damage ... as the Gaseous Form card _says_. Since the damage is Trample,
all _6_ of it gets dealt straight to defender.
Dave
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