Slow it down Wizards!
Robert E. Taylor
For 1/2 a year I had searched Ohio for certain cards to complete my green/blue
land denial deck. Then all of a sudden I've to search 4E, and Ice Age for new
cards to put in my deck. Before I'm done with that Chronicles will come out!
I mean I love magic and its expansions, but I think WOTC is puttting them out
too fast!
Robert
Michael John Falkner
: Hokay, you got it bub.
: Let us know when you have everything you need so we can go on. We're all
: waiting on you...all eight million of us...
: ...no pressure, now...
I think he has a point... It's just getting a bit fast for some people to
get all the cards... Though it does aid in trading, etc. =)
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Frederick Scott
Hokay, you got it bub.
Let us know when you have everything you need so we can go on. We're all
waiting on you...all eight million of us...
...no pressure, now...
Fred
Perttu Laurila
Michael John Falkner (mfal...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu) wrote:
: Frederick Scott (fre...@anthrax.cisco.com) wrote:
: : Hokay, you got it bub.
: : Let us know when you have everything you need so we can go on. We're all
: : waiting on you...all eight million of us...
: : ...no pressure, now...
: I think he has a point... It's just getting a bit fast for some people to
: get all the cards... Though it does aid in trading, etc. =)
You don't need to get all of them you know...
Neither 4E or Chronicles has new cards, both are reprints. There has
been much less new cards this year than last year. I think the speed
is nice, if only I could GET those cards too, instead of just reading
about them. Theres only one thing for which the speed is too fast:
My poor almost empty bank account. :(
Perttu
-Drooling over 4E, IA and Chronicles.
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Guy T. Rice
| I think WOTC should slow down their speed of putting out new expansions.
|For 1/2 a year I had searched Ohio for certain cards to complete my green/blue
|land denial deck. Then all of a sudden I've to search 4E, and Ice Age for new
|cards to put in my deck. Before I'm done with that Chronicles will come out!
|I mean I love magic and its expansions, but I think WOTC is puttting them out
|too fast!
Slow it down? Ice Age is the first expansion since Fallen Empires came
out last November, one expansion every 7 months is way too slow! There
were no new cards in Fourth Edition, and there will be no new cards in
Chronicles. Who knows when the next expansion is going to be out? It
almost seems like WotC is running out of steam. Last year, we had
Antiquities, Legends, The Dark, and Fallen Empires. Four expansions
adding new cards to the game. This year, we've had Ice Age. That's it.
Just Ice Age. There's rumors there might be another expansion forthcoming
called Homelands. If we get it before the end of the year, that'll be
two, but at the current rate of a new expansion every 7 months, we won't
see it until January. I mean, Chronicles will be nice and all, but where
are the new cards, WotC? Where are the _new_ cards? Reprinting old stuff
is not a substitute for _new_ cards.
-- Guy T. Rice -- "Walls of a castle are made out of stone,
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Mario Robaina
>Frederick Scott (fre...@anthrax.cisco.com) wrote:
>: Hokay, you got it bub.
>
>: Let us know when you have everything you need so we can go on. We're all
>: waiting on you...all eight million of us...
>
>: ...no pressure, now...
>
>I think he has a point... It's just getting a bit fast for some people to
>get all the cards... Though it does aid in trading, etc. =)
>
The problem is that they are clumping the releases. Let's look at a
Magic timeline:
June (mid-month) Legends
August (mid-month) The Dark 2 months
November 11 Fallen Empires About 3 months
May 3 4th Edition Almost 6 months
June 8 Ice Age 5 weeks
July-August Chronicles 2 months
Let's face it, the 6 month break between Fallen Empires and 4E was way
too long. What the hell was WotC doing during that time? Now we get
three releases in 3 to 4 months?
The reason for this is obvious to me. The busiest times for gaming,
comics, collectibles, etc. stores is are Christmas (November to December)
and summer (May to August). Christmas is obvious and the summer is
busy 'cause kids have summer jobs/extra money to spend or they are doing
nothing but playing around. Please notice that each of the last 5
releases occured during those 6 months and none in the other 6 months.
I am willing to bet that Homelands will have a late November/early
December release.
Later,
Mario.
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Michele Coleman
Mario Robaina <sprm...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>The problem is that they are clumping the releases. Let's look at a
>Magic timeline:
>
>July-August Chronicles 2 months
Okay, who here *really* believes that Chronicles will be out
in July, or even in August? I'm thinking *maybe* September.
Hmmm, perhaps I should be taking bets...
--Michele Coleman
Kevin
4E is a small thing (just trade for what you didnt have in RV) and Cr is new.
For _real_ new players, all 3 are new. So "new" is fairly relative. IA is
mostly new to everyone. There are some cards we've seen before.
However, even for someone that just started playing, it's not really a big
deal. IA is supposed to print for a year, I'd guess 4E will be around at
least that long, CR will go on indefinately (until demand is gone). You
don't have to rush out and buy them all immediately. In fact, the way some
of these dickhead retailers are, youre better off waiting until the supply
is better so they can't jack their prices up. I happen to be fortunate
enough to have a store around here that never sells above retail, but I
know that's not the case everywhere else.
..Kevin
Extreme Chaos
: I think WOTC should slow down their speed of putting out new expansions.
: For 1/2 a year I had searched Ohio for certain cards to complete my green/blue
: land denial deck. Then all of a sudden I've to search 4E, and Ice Age for new
: cards to put in my deck. Before I'm done with that Chronicles will come out!
: I mean I love magic and its expansions, but I think WOTC is puttting them out
: too fast!
: Robert
This is a game for the players and not for the collectors, and WoTC is
trying to get a lot of collectors out of it. Collectors can make the
game better but than again they make the prices rise to Mount Rushmore!
Extreme Chaos
xch...@netcom.com
Red Adept
>This is a game for the players and not for the collectors, and WoTC is
>trying to get a lot of collectors out of it. Collectors can make the
>game better but than again they make the prices rise to Mount Rushmore!
Careful here. I'm a player and a collector. Collectors don't make the
prices rise.....SPECULATORS do. I have one of each beta and two complete
sets of everything else. Does the fact that I have them make the prices
get higher? No. They sit at home and look damned pretty. Collectors
don't work the after-market. They COLLECT.
True, with the time-restrained print runs and the flood of FE on the market,
Dark was the last 'truly collectable' expansion. Anyone can get a set of FE
now.....sure it's collectable, but there was little to no effort in
collecting it....no fun.
Collectors are good for Magic. They buy cards, trade cards and then never
use them. Players are good for Magic. They buy cards, trade cards and play
with cards. Speculators are BAD for Magic. They buy cards, then hoard
cards, then sell cards when the market is looking for the ones they've
hoarded.
(getting off my anti-speculator, collector-friendly soapbox.)
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Chris Bagnall
: This is a game for the players and not for the collectors, and WoTC is
: trying to get a lot of collectors out of it. Collectors can make the
: game better but than again they make the prices rise to Mount Rushmore!
Have to disagree with you there - I should think that collectors are dancing
in the streets as the black bordered, rarer cards become easier to find
as players are willing to trade them ("I don't need 4 black bordered carrion
ants, just keep one for the collection & get 4 white bordered ones").
What WotC has done is say "get stuffed" (to put it politely) to the
speculators (distinct from collectors), who are the people who actually
make prices rise "to mount rushmore".
I think you missed the point of the post you were quoting. The post was
from a player who was fine-tuning a deck. He spent some time with the
resources he had (ie inprint cards) making this deck, and suddenly, he
has masses more resources available (4ed and ice age) all within a short
period - he is feeling overwhelmed, I know I am - I can't afford to buy
many cards. After having not much to buy after a short way thru fallen
empires, we suddenly have a glut of new stuff, and those of us who aren't
rich can't afford to get what we want.
Chris
Jason Aaron Fager
>>trying to get a lot of collectors out of it. Collectors can make the
>>game better but than again they make the prices rise to Mount Rushmore!
>Careful here. I'm a player and a collector. Collectors don't make the
>prices rise.....SPECULATORS do. I have one of each beta and two complete
>sets of everything else. Does the fact that I have them make the prices
>get higher? No. They sit at home and look damned pretty. Collectors
>don't work the after-market. They COLLECT.
Most of my friends are collectors of one kind or another, and I am a player,
so I have seen both sides of the issue. The only problem I have with
collecting is that -- like speculators -- collectors tend to take large
quantities of cards out of circulation. For instance, a collector may have
four sets of Revised, four sets of The Dark, two Legends sets, etc. How
many of these cards actually get played with? If half the Serpent Generators
ever printed are locked away in binder under somebody's bed, than that means
that there are only half as many Serpent Generators available for play than
were originally intended. Since effectively, the cards in those collections
don't exist (in the sense that they will never be traded or sold), the price
on the remaining cards goes up.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people collecting sets, as long as the
manufacturers take this into consideration when they decide how many cards
of each set to print.
>True, with the time-restrained print runs and the flood of FE on the market,
>Dark was the last 'truly collectable' expansion. Anyone can get a set of FE
>now.....sure it's collectable, but there was little to no effort in
>collecting it....no fun.
This problem should be alleviated somewhat with Ice Age and Fourth Edition.
Collecting a 363-card set should prove a challenge -- especially considering
the current supply shortage -- even if there are a million of each card
in print.
>Collectors are good for Magic. They buy cards, trade cards and then never
>use them. Players are good for Magic. They buy cards, trade cards and play
>with cards. Speculators are BAD for Magic. They buy cards, then hoard
>cards, then sell cards when the market is looking for the ones they've
>hoarded.
Yes, and they should be burned at the stake.
> M:TG Addict, Hail Eris, All Hail Discordia, Fanimaniac, Ferret-o-phile
The ivory statue knows too much. Dispatch the wino immediately. Fnord.
jafager
SAD...@psuvm.psu.edu
You guys need a lesson in Economics. Prices rise and fall because of supply
and demand and how they work together. If your supply of wigets is very small,
and the demand is even smaller, the price of wigets will be low. If the
demand for wigets is high, and the supply of wigets is high, the prices will
STILL be low. If the supply of wigets is high, and the demand is low, the
prices will also be low. The only time you have a problem with prices, is
when supply is low while demand is high. You all want to blame the collectors
and speculators for raising prices because they have all the cards. But they
aren't the ones that make prices rise...it's YOU the BUYERS that make prices
high. You don't like the $100 price tag on a Mox??? Then don't buy it! If
the buyers won't pay the high prices, what do you think is going to happen to
the price??? Demand is ultimately responsible for high prices...it's the
BUYERS who are responsible...they have the power of the purse...they decide on
the price of EVERYTHING. You don't like the price tag, then don't buy it...buy
something else. You don't like speculators???? Then don't buy from them.
It's really very simple. Unfortunately, the world is full of stupid people, so
you can count on prices to always keep going up and up and up and up...
Scott
Yettie
rise and fall of prices. Production in geared towards the end user,
the entry of speculators into a market introduces an artificial element
to the equation. To imply speculators have no impact on prices is
in a word naive. If you disagee talk to anyone who lived through the
Great Depression
Will B