Spirit Link is IN 4E!!!!!
Derfty
called wargames west (a mail order store) and asked the manager, and
surely enough, the spirit link picture is on the box. call 1-800-5CARDS1
and see for yourself. I bet it's rare though. ALlen
Joshua E. Rowr
: yes, it's true. spirit link is in 4th edition. I know because my friend
: called wargames west (a mail order store) and asked the manager, and
: surely enough, the spirit link picture is on the box. call 1-800-5CARDS1
: and see for yourself. I bet it's rare though. ALlen
Well, spirit link is a pretty powerful card, but my guess is that it
replaces serras.
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beings, and I HATE people like that."
Tom Lehrer
Joshua Edward Sitarz
: Derfty (der...@aol.com) wrote:
: : yes, it's true. spirit link is in 4th edition. I know because my friend
: : called wargames west (a mail order store) and asked the manager, and
: : surely enough, the spirit link picture is on the box. call 1-800-5CARDS1
: : and see for yourself. I bet it's rare though. ALlen
: Well, spirit link is a pretty powerful card, but my guess is that it
: replaces serras.
: --
: Quinn the Eskimo
Why äo people say stupid things like this? Serra Angels will NOT BE FUCKING
TAKEN OUT of 4E!
ANYONE who wants to bet this one with me, feel free to E-mail me.
Yen Bagio
Heck, nobody knows what it's going to be taken out for sure.
Your statement above applies for yourself. SAYING STUPID THING LIKE THAT!!
How can you know whether Serra Angels will be taken out or not?
The way you said it implies that you're SURE that Serra Angels will be
in 4E. My point is, don't calling people names if you are going to do
the same thing. Makes you look more stupid.
-Yen Bagio
Carl Joseph Kushinsky
In article <3nm28n$s...@apollo.it.luc.edu>, jr...@orion.it.luc.edu (Joshua E. Rowr) writes:
|>Derfty (der...@aol.com) wrote:
|>: yes, it's true. spirit link is in 4th edition. I know because my friend
|>Well, spirit link is a pretty powerful card, but my guess is that it
|>replaces serras.
|>--
|> Quinn the Eskimo
Unlikely. My guess is Swords to Plowshares- both are W to get rid of creatures
in different ways. Seems reasonable to me.
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>Derfty (der...@aol.com) wrote:
>: yes, it's true. spirit link is in 4th edition. I know because my friend
>: called wargames west (a mail order store) and asked the manager, and
>: surely enough, the spirit link picture is on the box. call 1-800-5CARDS1
>: and see for yourself. I bet it's rare though. ALlen
>Well, spirit link is a pretty powerful card, but my guess is that it
>replaces serras.
Serra's are NOT coming out...(but we won't get into that debate again)...
Anyway, I agree that Spirit Link will definately be a rare. I'd guess that
it either replaces Blessing or Farmstead. Several other life gainers have
made Farmstead an obsolete card, and while Blessing can be a good card, it
is often passed up in favor more general enchantments like Jihad and
Crusade. As for Farmstead, while Spirit Link would certainly be more than a
sutiable replacement as far as life-gaining goes, it wouldn't surprise me at
all if Fountain of Youth made it in as a rare artifact. We'll see
shortly...
Jeff Hannes...
jh0...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu
Joshua Edward Sitarz
: Heck, nobody knows what it's going to be taken out for sure.
: Your statement above applies for yourself. SAYING STUPID THING LIKE THAT!!
: How can you know whether Serra Angels will be taken out or not?
: The way you said it implies that you're SURE that Serra Angels will be
: in 4E. My point is, don't calling people names if you are going to do
: the same thing. Makes you look more stupid.
: -Yen Bagio
Okay, Ben. Pick a dollar amount. We'll make a bet. If Serra Angels are in
4E, I win. If they're not, you do.
Sound good.
Blairs
: yes, it's true. spirit link is in 4th edition. I know because my friend
: called wargames west (a mail order store) and asked the manager, and
: surely enough, the spirit link picture is on the box. call 1-800-5CARDS1
: and see for yourself. I bet it's rare though. ALlen
Thank you, AOL. I took the liberty of calling the afformentioned store,
and although they say that they would surely LIKE to say they had a box
of 4E, they don't. Secondly - the Spirit Link picture was on the LG
box. It strikes me as odd that they would repeat. I agree Spirit Link
should be in 4E. It's quite like the Serra Angel - it's a defining card
for white. Ask anyone who plays straight white, and most of the time
you'll find both those cards in the deck. It fits the theme. Either
way, however, this rumor is false. I would offer a bit of advice to the
original poster:
Next time, call the number yourself.
Paul.
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David Wilson
<JTVA...@ukcc.uky.edu> wrote:
>In article <3nr1uo$k...@news.bu.edu>
>shof...@bu.edu (Seth Hoffman) writes:
>
>>They are not going to take out an uncommon (serra) and replace it with a rare
>>(spirit link).
>And why not? They have changed the rarity of older expansion cards (Mox=rare
>replaced by Dragon Engine=was common). There is nothing to stop Wizards from
>changing rarity inbetween sets.
I believe that when this happened (Dragon Engine being moved from Common to
Rare) WotC got a huge amount of grief. While you're right that there is
nothing stopping them from doing so, my opinion is that they won't, if only
to avoid that kind of grief.
Dave
>BTW, Spirit Link was only an Uncommon, and I'll bet you on that.
>
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JTVA...@ukcc.uky.edu
shof...@bu.edu (Seth Hoffman) writes:
>They are not going to take out an uncommon (serra) and replace it with a rare
>(spirit link).
And why not? They have changed the rarity of older expansion cards (Mox=rare
replaced by Dragon Engine=was common). There is nothing to stop Wizards from
changing rarity inbetween sets.
Seth Hoffman
the same amount of cards for each color and also within rarity between color.
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Steven Zwanger
wrote:
>Derfty (der...@aol.com) wrote:
>: yes, it's true. spirit link is in 4th edition. I know because my friend
>: called wargames west (a mail order store) and asked the manager, and
>: surely enough, the spirit link picture is on the box. call 1-800-5CARDS1
>: and see for yourself. I bet it's rare though. ALlen
>
>Thank you, AOL. I took the liberty of calling the afformentioned store,
>and although they say that they would surely LIKE to say they had a box
>of 4E, they don't.
>
I called the number, and Wargames West said they didn't have any 4E in stock.
"Well," I asked them, "Do you know which pictures are on the outside of the
box?"
"No," they replied, "but Spirit Link and Carrion Ants will both be in
Fourth Edition."
"Oh? How do you know?"
"Our manager saw them at a convention."
Of course, I don't know how true this is, but this is what Wargames West
claims.
Kraig Blackwelder
<rshi...@access.digex.net> wrote:
> I heard from another distributor at a tournament of theirs that Carrion
> Ants are in (From WotC supposedly). This is OK. The more ominous thing
> was the statement that all of the "Demonic" cards will be taken out so
> they will be more palatable to the mass market.
Oh, puh lease! If WoC does that, I'll be truly pissed off. That was
one of the things that made me leave D&D: when they bowed down and started
playing kiss ass to the rabid conservatives who were afraid that all this
talk of demons and gods would ruin their children's morals or something.
Magic is popular enough that they really don't need to make it any more
popular to the mainstream, and I think that would be a major step in the
direction of selling out and becoming vacuous and bland.
Kraig
Rich Shipley
Ants are in (From WotC supposedly). This is OK. The more ominous thing
was the statement that all of the "Demonic" cards will be taken out so
they will be more palatable to the mass market.
rshi...@access.digex.net
Art Loeffler
: Oh, puh lease! If WoC does that, I'll be truly pissed off. That was
: one of the things that made me leave D&D: when they bowed down and started
: playing kiss ass to the rabid conservatives who were afraid that all this
: talk of demons and gods would ruin their children's morals or something.
: Magic is popular enough that they really don't need to make it any more
: popular to the mainstream, and I think that would be a major step in the
: direction of selling out and becoming vacuous and bland.
: Kraig
Yep, I have to agree with ya (despite the fact that I lean toward
conservative most of the time). Although, if you can get your hands on a
copy of the First Edition Player's Handbook, there's an interesting spell
in there called Cacodemon (or Summon Cacodemon, it's been a while since
I've seen it). If memory serves, they give really elaborate instructions
on the summoning process, as well as how to bind the fella and make it do
your bidding. Didn't bother me, but I can see how an outsider might
mistake it for the real thing. But WotC hasn't done anything even
remotely like this, so I can't see where the problem is either...
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art...@freenet.columbus.oh.us / the more I like my dog.
Kraig Blackwelder
Sitarz) wrote:
> : Skeptic :-) BTW, I wasn't interested in finding out more about
> : demonology, and while paradise lost sounds vaguely familiar I can't
> : remember what it was. And yes, I believe that there is a real thing,
> : largely because I'm a Christian (it's kinda hard to believe in one half
> : w/out the other). But this discussion has deviated quite a bit, so I'll
> : be going...
>
> Milton. Can't remember his first name. (Remembers Donald Sutherland from
> Animal House)
John Milton is one of the foremost poets in the English language, God
only knows why. He was born December 9, 1608 in London. His first
important piece is Lycidas, an elegy for a lad from his school who
drowned, it was written in 1637, published in 1638.
He was very political and backed Cromwell in the English civil war
(1641) and played a part in the Cromwellion regime. When England again
became a monarchy in 1660, Milton was imprisoned for his support of the
Cromwellian regine, but only for a few months, since he had friends in
high places.
His major works comprise Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained, and Samson
Agonistes, all three in the vein of epic poetry, though he was a hardcore
Puritan and wrote about Christian (not pagan) subject matter (unusual to
the epic form).
He died November 8th, 1674.
Kraig Blackwelder
art...@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Art Loeffler) wrote:
> Yep, I have to agree with ya (despite the fact that I lean toward
> conservative most of the time). Although, if you can get your hands on a
> copy of the First Edition Player's Handbook, there's an interesting spell
> in there called Cacodemon (or Summon Cacodemon, it's been a while since
> I've seen it). If memory serves, they give really elaborate instructions
> on the summoning process, as well as how to bind the fella and make it do
> your bidding. Didn't bother me, but I can see how an outsider might
> mistake it for the real thing.
You can find out more about demonology from reading Paradise Lost than
from mulling over the Cacodaemon spell. I remember that spell (I had most
of the book memorized) and only if one were REALLY paranoid (not to
mention superstitions and gullible) could one get uptight about it. When
you say you can see how an outsider might mistake it for the real thing,
just what do you perceive to be "the real thing?" I'm not aware that
there is a real thing where demon conjuration is concerned. Call me a
skeptic, but....
K.
Trevor Barrie
>Okay, Ben. Pick a dollar amount. We'll make a bet. If Serra Angels are in
>4E, I win. If they're not, you do.
>
>Sound good.
Well, duh ... there are ~300 cards in revised, and I suspect
only about 20 will be removed. Now, if you're willing to be
fair and offer 15:1 odds, I may take you up on that...
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In article <3o2uur$j...@bud.peinet.pe.ca>, tba...@peinet.pe.ca (Trevor Barrie) writes:
> In article <3npu4c$o...@uwm.edu>, sit...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Joshua Edward Sitarz) says:
>
> >Okay, Ben. Pick a dollar amount. We'll make a bet. If Serra Angels are in
> >4E, I win. If they're not, you do.
> >
> >Sound good.
>
> Well, duh ... there are ~300 cards in revised, and I suspect
> only about 20 will be removed. Now, if you're willing to be
> fair and offer 15:1 odds, I may take you up on that...
>
Now that's what I call confidence in serras being taken out....
Paul Sheldon
: Yep, I have to agree with ya (despite the fact that I lean toward
: conservative most of the time). Although, if you can get your hands on a
: copy of the First Edition Player's Handbook, there's an interesting spell
: in there called Cacodemon (or Summon Cacodemon, it's been a while since
: I've seen it). If memory serves, they give really elaborate instructions
: on the summoning process, as well as how to bind the fella and make it do
: your bidding. Didn't bother me, but I can see how an outsider might
: mistake it for the real thing. But WotC hasn't done anything even
: remotely like this, so I can't see where the problem is either...
: --
: Art Loeffler / The more people I meet,
: art...@freenet.columbus.oh.us / the more I like my dog.
But Art, that spell really works! I still have my Cacodemon.
:)
pAuL sHeLdOn
gan...@mcs.com
IdleMind1
arms and legs to get four of them, and that's why I'll be rather bitter if
they're in 4E. I also agree with Donald Sutherland's character. Not only
did he have great insight into the works of Milton, but he got with Boon
too, and she was pretty cute!
Vincent Archer
>Well, duh ... there are ~300 cards in revised, and I suspect
>only about 20 will be removed. Now, if you're willing to be
>fair and offer 15:1 odds, I may take you up on that...
I take you on that. 15 against 1 that 20-29 cards are removed.
If more than 30, you give me 15 AN common, if less than 19, you give me 15AN
common. If 20-29, I give you 1 AN common.
Game?
(kidding. There are 72 basic lands taken out, and 100+ cards introduced in
the set, so 30+ cards removed is a very fair bet)
Kraig Blackwelder
(IdleMind1) wrote:
> Well I think Spirit Link is a damn good card. That's why I paid multiple
> arms and legs to get four of them, and that's why I'll be rather bitter if
> they're in 4E.
So let me get this straight...since you were greedy and paid a LOT of
money/cards to get 4 Spirit Links, you'll be bitter that the rest of us
will get them without having to go through hell? Hm...interesting.
K.
Neal Feldman
SH> with a rare (spirit link). If anyone has looked at a complete cardlist,
SH> there are usually the same amount of cards for each color and also
SH> within rarity between color.
I agree this is the final outcome, but I guess you have not seen Dragon
Engine... RV rare, AQ Common.
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In a previous posting, IdleMind1 (idle...@aol.com) writes:
> Well I think Spirit Link is a damn good card. That's why I paid multiple
> arms and legs to get four of them, and that's why I'll be rather bitter if
> did he have great insight into the works of Milton, but he got with Boon
> too, and she was pretty cute!
WEll my local game store got a few boxes of 4E today(no joke) I bought 2
starter packs and got 1 carrion ant and one Spirit link. I traded 2 other
crappy rares for another spirit link. It's official they are back!
Gambit games on Elgin St is selling starters for $9. They didn't have
boosters when I was there..:(
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: I heard from another distributor at a tournament of theirs that Carrion
Ok, since the cards are coming out in the next weeks anyway, I'll break
my silence. I am friends with an EX-WOTC employee (quit, not fired) who
told me that the only card he/she KNEW was not going to be reprinted was
Lord of the Pit. Of course they may have made a few decisions after she
left (she told me this in January/February) but I took her advice and have
my 9...
It seems to defend the above rumour, but it may also get retired as
either a semi-spoiler (pretty powerful, doubtful here), or a mystifier
(more likely, although I guess they could just reword it).
I won't provide a name because of the non-disclosure contract, but I'm
not joking here.
Jason
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: John Milton is one of the foremost poets in the English language, God
: only knows why. He was born December 9, 1608 in London. His first
: important piece is Lycidas, an elegy for a lad from his school who
: drowned, it was written in 1637, published in 1638.
: He was very political and backed Cromwell in the English civil war
: (1641) and played a part in the Cromwellion regime. When England again
: became a monarchy in 1660, Milton was imprisoned for his support of the
: Cromwellian regine, but only for a few months, since he had friends in
: high places.
: His major works comprise Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained, and Samson
: Agonistes, all three in the vein of epic poetry, though he was a hardcore
: Puritan and wrote about Christian (not pagan) subject matter (unusual to
: the epic form).
: He died November 8th, 1674.
Thanx much.
Art Loeffler
: But Art, that spell really works! I still have my Cacodemon.
Dammit, now I'm jealous! Mine ran off the moment I turned my back.
Knew I shoulda put up some wards...
canticle
>I agree this is the final outcome, but I guess you have not seen Dragon
>Engine... RV rare, AQ Common.
I believe (although I'm not entirely sure about this) that there was a
posting some time back indicating that Wizards of the Coast had 'learned
from their mistake', and would not promote cards in terms of rarity (Rare
to Common or vice versa) in future editions. Maybe Tom could confirm this.
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Id> Well I think Spirit Link is a damn good card. That's why I paid
Id> multiple arms and legs to get four of them, and that's why I'll be
Id> rather bitter if they're in 4E.
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Kraig Blackwelder
Friesen) wrote:
> Ok, since the cards are coming out in the next weeks anyway, I'll break
> my silence. I am friends with an EX-WOTC employee (quit, not fired) who
> told me that the only card he/she KNEW was not going to be reprinted was
> Lord of the Pit. Of course they may have made a few decisions after she
> left (she told me this in January/February) but I took her advice and have
> my 9...
>
> It seems to defend the above rumour, but it may also get retired as
> either a semi-spoiler (pretty powerful, doubtful here), or a mystifier
> (more likely, although I guess they could just reword it).
> I won't provide a name because of the non-disclosure contract, but I'm
> not joking here.
If you're not joking then you're lying. I got two Lords of the Pit and
I only bought 20 packs.
Rick Tange
Friesen) said:
>
> Ok, since the cards are coming out in the next weeks anyway, I'll break
my
>silence. I am friends with an EX-WOTC employee (quit, not fired) who told
me
>that the only card he/she KNEW was not going to be reprinted was Lord of
the
>Pit. Of course they may have made a few decisions after she left (she
told me
>this in January/February) but I took her advice and have my 9...
>
> It seems to defend the above rumour, but it may also get retired as
either a
>semi-spoiler (pretty powerful, doubtful here), or a mystifier (more
likely,
>although I guess they could just reword it).
> I won't provide a name because of the non-disclosure contract, but I'm
not
>joking here.
>
>
Polaris01
right now -- sporting it's new white border!
>Well I think Spirit Link is a damn good card. That's why I paid multiple
>arms and legs to get four of them, and that's why I'll be rather bitter
mtindall
Art Loeffler <art...@freenet.columbus.oh.us> wrote:
>Paul Sheldon (gan...@MCS.COM) wrote:
>
>: But Art, that spell really works! I still have my Cacodemon.
>
> Dammit, now I'm jealous! Mine ran off the moment I turned my back.
>Knew I shoulda put up some wards...
mike
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J R McCullough
J.R.
James Pettifer
: I heard from another distributor at a tournament of theirs that Carrion
: Ants are in (From WotC supposedly). This is OK. The more ominous thing
: was the statement that all of the "Demonic" cards will be taken out so
: they will be more palatable to the mass market.
:
: Rich
: rshi...@access.digex.net
True. Also serras are definitely in. IN IN IN so are spirit linksø~
Dennis Francis Heffernan
|I believe that when this happened (Dragon Engine being moved from Common to
|Rare) WotC got a huge amount of grief. While you're right that there is
|nothing stopping them from doing so, my opinion is that they won't, if only
|to avoid that kind of grief.
That's what I thought. That's what they _said_, that they'd learned
from the Dragon Engine mistake and weren't going to do it again.
Nope.
I've opened a box of 4E, and rarity levels were changed with wild
abandon, both up and down. Mana Batteries are Rare. Flood and Apprentice
Wizard are COMMON. Elvish Archers are still in, as Rares...and Land Leeches
are Common. Xenic Poltergeist is Rare. The bleeding HURR JACKAL is a RARE!
Winds of Change is Rare. Land Tax is Rare. Shapeshifter is Uncommon. Ashes
to Ashes is Uncommon. Carrion Ants are Uncommon. Junun Efreet is Uncommon.
Ghost Ship is Uncommon. Mind Bomb is Uncommon. Sindbad is Uncommon.
Elven Riders are Uncommon. Killer Bees are Uncommon. Winter Blast is
Uncommon. Ali Baba is Uncommon. Pyrotechnics is Uncommon. Divine
Transformation is Uncommon. Osai Vultures are Uncommon. Strip Mines and
Mishra's Factory are Uncommons (only one picture of each). Wall of Spears is
Common (yes, we have Common artifacts now). Pradesh Gypsies are Common.
Blood Lust is COMMON. Brothers of Fire are Common. Eternal Warrior is
Common. Sisters of the Flame are Common. Fortified Area is Common. Seeker
is Common.
There are more new cards but they stayed at their original
commonality. As for what went out, well, Serras are still in (though I
didn't get any; more on that later)....
...but multilands are out.
That's catastrophic. Removing the Moxen et al created a second wave
of players who don't have the cards to compete against the first wave, but it
was necessary for the game. Removing the multilands was not necessary, and
will now create a third wave of players who, while they should be able to
compete against the second wave, will not be able to field the same sort of
decks the older players can. They're going to be limited to two-color decks
for the most part, possibly a few three-color designs, but four- and
five-color decks will be right out for them. And the second-wave players are
now caught between the other two; we can't play our more interesting decks in
Type II, but we still don't have the cards to compete in Type I. Between
this and the commonality nonsense, I expect there to be much weeping and
gnashing of teeth over 4E, even from those who are happy at seeing some good
cards reprinted.
The RV Restricted list was pretty much toast; only Ivory Tower,
Channel and Mind Twist are still in. I can't WAIT to hear the excuse for the
last two coming across. Juggernauts and Kird Apes are out, probably on the
too-much-bang-for-the-buck principle, as are Serendibs. Clones, Forks and
Vesuvans are out, probably as mystifiers, along with Basalt Monolith and Rock
Hydra. There's a bunch more, retirees from the look of them. Grey Ogre and
Uthden Troll are both still in, at their original commonalities, and
unchanged. Yeesh.
From the look of it, the game hasn't changed much overall. Denial
and weenie are still pretty much the only games in town, though land
destruction got a boost with the inclusion of Blight and Strip Mine (Demonic
Hordes are out, though they weren't essential for a landkiller because of
their high cost), and you can now build a great Stasis deck in Type II with
the addition of Time Elemental, Kismet, Eternal Warrior, Yotian Soldier,
Zephyr Falcon, and Twiddle (yes, it's back. Ironclaw Orcs were the only
other returnee). Weenie decks didn't get much of a boost; in particular none
of the interesting Goblins from DK got moved in, so unless IA has some the
Goblin decks are not long for Type II. (Goblin Rock Sleds are in, but they
don't count.)
Overall, I'm dissatisfied with the new mix. Multis shouldn't have been
removed, Stasis decks shouldn't have been made Type II legal (Stasis should
have been removed, IMO), we didn't need Blight or (especially) Strip Mines in
the game again, Mind Twist and Channel should have gone out with the rest of
the Restricted list, and commonalities shouldn't have been munged the way
they were. Yes, some neat cards came back, but the down side outweighs it,
and while the speculators will lose out on a bunch of cards, they'll more
than make it up as the price of multis shoots out of sight.
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"You bitch about the present and blame it on the past/I'd like to find your
inner child and kick its little ass!" -- Don Henley/Glenn Fry, "Get Over It"
Neal Feldman
Re: Spirit Link is IN 4E!:
KB> In article <3nuqrh$1...@news3.digex.net>, Rich Shipley
KB> <rshi...@access.digex.net> wrote:
> I heard from another distributor at a tournament of theirs that Carrion
> Ants are in (From WotC supposedly). This is OK. The more ominous thing
> was the statement that all of the "Demonic" cards will be taken out so
> they will be more palatable to the mass market.
KB> Oh, puh lease! If WoC does that, I'll be truly pissed off. That
KB> was one of the things that made me leave D&D: when they bowed down and
KB> started playing kiss ass to the rabid conservatives who were afraid
KB> that all this talk of demons and gods would ruin their children's
KB> morals or something. Magic is popular enough that they really don't
KB> need to make it any more popular to the mainstream, and I think that
KB> would be a major step in the direction of selling out and becoming
KB> vacuous and bland. Kraig
Well, they did apparently take out all Demonic cards... and they kept
Unholy Strength but removed the symbol behind the guy....
I think this sucks... and WOTC should be ridiculed roundly for kowtowing
to the religious right in this manner.
Like yeah... many fundamentalist christians who were going berserk over
these cards are *really* likely to just start playing now? Not likely.
It just again shows how much power the religious right has in this
country and how weak corporate america truly is....
First amendment? WHAT first amendment?
... I'm the NRA, and if I can't vote twice, I'll shoot you.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Sheila Lundie
>
>Well I think Spirit Link is a damn good card. That's why I paid multiple
>arms and legs to get four of them, and that's why I'll be rather bitter if
>did he have great insight into the works of Milton, but he got with Boon
>too, and she was pretty cute!
Uh-oh.. hehehe..Spirit Link is in 4E.. and so are the Killer Bees.. :)
Toodles..
Sheila Lundie
slu...@eden.com
John Richards
(Neal Feldman) wrote:
NF> Well, they did apparently take out all Demonic cards... and they kept
NF> Unholy Strength but removed the symbol behind the guy....
NF> I think this sucks... and WOTC should be ridiculed roundly for kowtowing
NF> to the religious right in this manner.
NF> Like yeah... many fundamentalist christians who were going berserk over
NF> these cards are *really* likely to just start playing now? Not likely.
NF> It just again shows how much power the religious right has in this
NF> country and how weak corporate america truly is....
NF> First amendment? WHAT first amendment?
In article <3ojbg4$l...@martha.utk.edu>, d...@panacea.phys.utk.edu
(David DeLaney) wrote:
(beginning of thread removed)
DD> Giving in to censorship, even once, starts you on that
DD> slippery slope to "Then they took away the First Amendment, and now I can't
DD> say anything at all".
(more heavy editing)
DD> Saying "Oh no, we can never make a card with the word 'demon' in the title
DD> again because some fundamentalists object [note: I *know* not _all_ f's
DD> object, thanks]" is self-censorship, which is even more offensive than
DD> censorship imposed by others.
DD> Which would you rather do: pacify people who *do not play the game* and who
DD> *do not buy massive amounts of cards*, or pacify people who *do play the
DD> game* and who *do buy massive amounts of cards* and who can very easily
DD> *stop buying massive amounts of cards* (especially considering this summer's
DD> release schedule)?
David DeLaney and Neal Feldman on the same side of an issue. Imminent death of
the net predicted. Film at eleven.
Gil M. Nissley
starter deck today.I've also seen quite a few Leg/Dark/Antiq commons
and uncommons.
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Mouse47
berserk and 2 common blood lusts....game over....:( I'm thinking of NOT
going to philly now for the world torny