Beyond Reproach Question
Halcyan 2
10 Most Powerful Cards list -- Beyond Reproach!
Beyond Reproach [AH]
Cardtype: Political Action
Political Card - Worth 1 Vote. Called by any prince at +1 stealth.
If this <referendum> is successful, put this card in play. primogen cannot
attempt political actions and <get one less> vote during political actions.
This card may be burned by a <referendum> called by any vampire as a +1 stealth
<political> action.
Free States Rant [FN]
Cardtype: Political Action
Political Card - Worth 1 Vote. Called by any Independent vampire at +1 stealth.
Allocate X points among one or more ready <vampires>, where X is half the
capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up). No more than 3 points can be
allocated to a single vampire. Successful referendum means each vampire burns 1
blood for each point assigned. In this referendum, titles are worth 1 less vote
each (even in the prisci sub-referendum), and burning the Edge for a vote is
worth an additional vote.
Does this mean that if Free States Rant was called when a Beyond Reproach was
in play, Primogen would actually get negative votes (just like negative
strength. -1 strength doesn't actually heal your opponent but it does require
more modifiers to bring it back to positive territory)?
So say a Free States Rant is called and Primogen Masika plays a Dread Gaze
would he only gain 3 votes (1 Primogen - 1 FSR + 4 Dread Gaze - 1 BR = 3?)
while non-titled Gideon would get 4 votes from a Dread Gaze?
Similarly, CI'ed Primogen Genevieve would get 0 votes during an FSR? (Since FSR
takes away the titled vote and BR takes care of her special)? And same thing
with CI'ed Primogen Stefano Giovanni who wants to try to burn a blood to gain a
vote?
Yeah, it's really corner-case (#1. People actually playing with Beyond
Reproach, #2. Beyond Reproach in play, and #3. Someone calling FSR) but it
seems silly if Beyond Reproach can cause a Primogen to have the equivalent of
negative votes...
Halcyan 2
LSJ
> Does this mean that if Free States Rant was called when a Beyond Reproach was
> in play, Primogen would actually get negative votes (just like negative
> strength. -1 strength doesn't actually heal your opponent but it does require
> more modifiers to bring it back to positive territory)?
Yes.
> So say a Free States Rant is called and Primogen Masika plays a Dread Gaze
> would he only gain 3 votes (1 Primogen - 1 FSR + 4 Dread Gaze - 1 BR = 3?)
> while non-titled Gideon would get 4 votes from a Dread Gaze?
Yes.
> Similarly, CI'ed Primogen Genevieve would get 0 votes during an FSR? (Since FSR
> takes away the titled vote and BR takes care of her special)? And same thing
> with CI'ed Primogen Stefano Giovanni who wants to try to burn a blood to gain a
> vote?
Yes.
> Yeah, it's really corner-case (#1. People actually playing with Beyond
> Reproach, #2. Beyond Reproach in play, and #3. Someone calling FSR) but it
> seems silly if Beyond Reproach can cause a Primogen to have the equivalent of
> negative votes...
Probably as silly as disarm giving someone negative strength.
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Archibald Zimonyi
Hrm hrm...
>>Yeah, it's really corner-case (#1. People actually playing with Beyond
>>Reproach, #2. Beyond Reproach in play, and #3. Someone calling FSR) but it
>>seems silly if Beyond Reproach can cause a Primogen to have the equivalent of
>>negative votes...
>>
>
> Probably as silly as disarm giving someone negative strength.
>
So does this mean that the opposing minion actually gains lives when in combat
with a minion that has disarm on him (if his strength is less then 0)?
Hrm.. uhh.. btw don't answer that.
Archibald Zimonyi
Malkavian Prince of Gothenburg