(LSJ) Questions on Masters, continued, Temptations and Action Card In Results
michael...@ramstein.af.mil
Some interesting discussion is being generated with the question of who
controls what Master cards, within my group.
Based upon your last answer concerning masters, this is what I came up with.
Master cards are played and controlled by the playing Methuselah unless it is
stolen (Examples: Dauntain Black Magician for Discipline Masters or Disputed
Territory for Location Master) or traded (via Succubus Club) at which time
control of the affected Master(s) is/are transferred. When the controlling
player is removed from the table then all Masters currently controlled by
that player are removed no matter where they are on the table.
Action cards are played by minions. If the action provides a special
capability, then the minion to whom it is played upon becomes the controller
of the card (whether wanted or not - example: Seeds of Corruption or Pulse of
the Canaille at Superior). The action card is removed when the owning
minion's controller is removed from the table.
If the above is a correct interpretation, then this question was raised that I
am unable to answer.
If a minion is stolen (say via Form of Corruption) are the Masters (i.e. Blood
Doll, Disciplines, Legendary, Fame, Vast Wealth, Legacy of Caine, Etc...)
stolen as well or are they still under the control of the Methuselah who
originally played them?
Reason for question: To determine who controls what Masters for removal
purposes due to player attrition.
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A question of whether or not Temptations are stackable upon a minion has been
raised. If so, would each Temptation act separately? or would the removal of
counters on 1 Temptation force the removal on all the Temptations on that
minion?
Reason for question: To see if temporary control can be attained several turns
in a row if the Tempted minion fell within the guidelines of the Temptation
Text.
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Are action cards that impart a special ability (whether permanent or removable
by other as a (D) action) discarded upon their success or must they be placed
on (or under) the minion gaining the special ability?
Reason for question: To see if a used but still active action card can be
reused if obtained via Whispers of the Dead if the action card does not
necessarily have to go on (or under) a minion upon it's success.
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Thanks
Michael Eichler
Prince of Ramstein
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LSJ
> Some interesting discussion is being generated with the question of who
> controls what Master cards, within my group.
>
> Based upon your last answer concerning masters, this is what I came up with.
>
> Master cards are played and controlled by the playing Methuselah unless it is
> stolen (Examples: Dauntain Black Magician for Discipline Masters or Disputed
> Territory for Location Master) or traded (via Succubus Club) at which time
> control of the affected Master(s) is/are transferred. When the controlling
> player is removed from the table then all Masters currently controlled by
> that player are removed no matter where they are on the table.
Correct, as stated in [1.6.2] and [1.3].
> Action cards are played by minions. If the action provides a special
> capability, then the minion to whom it is played upon becomes the controller
> of the card (whether wanted or not - example: Seeds of Corruption or Pulse of
> the Canaille at Superior). The action card is removed when the owning
> minion's controller is removed from the table.
Correct. [1.6.3], [1.3], I'd replace "owning minion" with "minion with
the card", but OK.
> If the above is a correct interpretation, then this question was raised that I
> am unable to answer.
>
> If a minion is stolen (say via Form of Corruption) are the Masters (i.e. Blood
> Doll, Disciplines, Legendary, Fame, Vast Wealth, Legacy of Caine, Etc...)
> stolen as well or are they still under the control of the Methuselah who
> originally played them?
Only the minion is stolen. The minion cards on him change controllers by
virture of [1.6.3], but the master cards do not [1.6.2].
> Reason for question: To determine who controls what Masters for removal
> purposes due to player attrition.
>
> ==========
> A question of whether or not Temptations are stackable upon a minion has been
> raised. If so, would each Temptation act separately? or would the removal of
> counters on 1 Temptation force the removal on all the Temptations on that
> minion?
Yes. Yes. No.
> Reason for question: To see if temporary control can be attained several turns
> in a row if the Tempted minion fell within the guidelines of the Temptation
> Text.
Yes.
> ==========
> Are action cards that impart a special ability (whether permanent or removable
> by other as a (D) action) discarded upon their success or must they be placed
> on (or under) the minion gaining the special ability?
Depends on card text. If a card is "put in play" or can be "burned" by
some effect, then it is put in play. If not, it isn't.
> Reason for question: To see if a used but still active action card can be
> reused if obtained via Whispers of the Dead if the action card does not
> necessarily have to go on (or under) a minion upon it's success.
If it is in play, no. If not, yes.
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