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[LSJ] Cards costing 'X blood'

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Mark Allen

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May 2, 2003, 11:07:23 AM5/2/03
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Hello all.

A very knowledgeable player and myself were discussing in particular about
both Hidden Strength and Awe. Both cards allow you to choose X and burn
blood equal to X to play the card. The answer on Google was not clear so I
ask again:

Can X = 0 for cards that cost X blood? I say it can so it's playable by
vampires with zero blood. He says X can never be zero.

Mark Allen
Prince of Ottawa

LSJ

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May 2, 2003, 11:08:05 AM5/2/03
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Mark Allen wrote:
> Can X = 0 for cards that cost X blood?

X can be zero, yes.

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Patrick van der Reest

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May 2, 2003, 7:33:26 PM5/2/03
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LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3EB289D5...@white-wolf.com>...

> Mark Allen wrote:
> > Can X = 0 for cards that cost X blood?
>
> X can be zero, yes.

I thought there had to be damage to be prevented first? If not, can
you really play Hidden Strength after receiving 0 hand damage (due to
Song of Serenity, for instance), just to gain an optional press (or
just cycle).
At a tournament late last year it was ruled I could not, but of course
the judge may have been wrong.

Also, can you play such cards for X<0? Not necessarily to gain blood,
but to play the card (preventing negative hand damage and gain a
press, for instance).
In the same tournament, it was ruled that one cannot pay a negative
amount of blood or pool. I'm sure this was done to defuse blood gain
via Hidden Strength, but I suddenly see an alternative reason to do
so.

Regards and blessings,

Patrick
Columbus, OH

John Keech

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May 2, 2003, 8:04:10 PM5/2/03
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As hidden strength says X+1, you can play it to prevent 1 damege without
paying any blood but for the press


>If not, can
> you really play Hidden Strength after receiving 0 hand damage

> Also, can you play such cards for X<0? Not necessarily to gain blood,
> but to play the card (preventing negative hand damage and gain a
> press, for instance).
> In the same tournament, it was ruled that one cannot pay a negative
> amount of blood or pool.

Sounds about right to me - never tried though....


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LSJ

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May 2, 2003, 9:34:48 PM5/2/03
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John Keech wrote:
> As hidden strength says X+1, you can play it to prevent 1 damege without
> paying any blood but for the press

>>If not, can
>>you really play Hidden Strength after receiving 0 hand damage

No. X=0 means Hidden Strength prevents one (X+1 = 1) damage.
It cannot be used when there's no damage to prevent.

>>Also, can you play such cards for X<0? Not necessarily to gain blood,
>>but to play the card (preventing negative hand damage and gain a
>>press, for instance).
>>In the same tournament, it was ruled that one cannot pay a negative
>>amount of blood or pool.
>
> Sounds about right to me - never tried though....

Correct. You cannot set the X cost of a card to negative.

reyda

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May 3, 2003, 9:39:29 AM5/3/03
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Patrick van der Reest wrote:

|| Also, can you play such cards for X<0? Not necessarily to gain
|| blood, but to play the card (preventing negative hand damage and
|| gain a press, for instance).

No, you cant play Hidden Strength for Zero, since you can't play a
prevention card when there's nothing to prevent.


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