Clan impersonation: More questions

Tom, Mad&Co

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Jun 20, 2001, 5:45:54 AM6/20/01

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Hi all,

This one came up to my mind last night, while i was building an odd toreador
deck with Leandro, the Malkavian Inner Cricle:

a) If an Inner Circle Member changes his clan into another camarilla clan,
does it forfeit its title? Or is it possible to have two inner circle member
of the same clan on table? Will he/her take back its former title after
burning the clan impersonation?

b) What if the impersonated vamp is a Justicar? Sure there can't be two
justicars of the same clan, but can a malkavian justicar impersonate and
become tremere justicar this way?

c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan
membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain
camarilla?

Thanks in advance for your help
Tom,Mad&Co

Flux

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Jun 20, 2001, 6:07:15 AM6/20/01

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"Tom, Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message
news:9gpqut$47v$1...@talia.mad.ttd.net...

> Hi all,
>
> This one came up to my mind last night, while i was building an odd
toreador
> deck with Leandro, the Malkavian Inner Cricle:
>
> a) If an Inner Circle Member changes his clan into another camarilla clan,
> does it forfeit its title? Or is it possible to have two inner circle
member
> of the same clan on table? Will he/her take back its former title after
> burning the clan impersonation?

The Inner Circle title is not unique [6.3.4]

> b) What if the impersonated vamp is a Justicar? Sure there can't be two
> justicars of the same clan, but can a malkavian justicar impersonate and
> become tremere justicar this way?

If a Justicar changes his clan he loses the benefit of his title [10].

> c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan
> membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain
> camarilla?

No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess.

Flux

LSJ

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Jun 20, 2001, 6:29:57 AM6/20/01

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Flux wrote:
>
> "Tom, Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message
> news:9gpqut$47v$1...@talia.mad.ttd.net...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This one came up to my mind last night, while i was building an odd
> toreador
> > deck with Leandro, the Malkavian Inner Cricle:
> >
> > a) If an Inner Circle Member changes his clan into another camarilla clan,
> > does it forfeit its title? Or is it possible to have two inner circle
> member
> > of the same clan on table? Will he/her take back its former title after
> > burning the clan impersonation?
>
> The Inner Circle title is not unique [6.3.4]

Correct. And to answer the other question: IC titles are not tied to clan (just
to sect). [10.1]

> > b) What if the impersonated vamp is a Justicar? Sure there can't be two
> > justicars of the same clan, but can a malkavian justicar impersonate and
> > become tremere justicar this way?
>
> If a Justicar changes his clan he loses the benefit of his title [10].

Correct.

> > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan
> > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain
> > camarilla?
>
> No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess.

Correct.

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Andy Brown

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Jun 20, 2001, 7:49:31 AM6/20/01

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LSJ wrote:
>
<snip>

> > > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan
> > > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain
> > > camarilla?
> >
> > No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess.
>
> Correct.
>

If this is the case, then does he lose his title completely,
or become Archbishop of that city?

Andy

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LSJ

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Jun 20, 2001, 7:55:31 AM6/20/01

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Andy Brown wrote:
>
> LSJ wrote:
> >
> <snip>
>
> > > > c) Now there is a serious distinction between allegiance and clan
> > > > membership. Can a Camarilla Prince change to a sabbat clan but remain
> > > > camarilla?
> > >
> > > No. [10] Unless he has a Writ of Acceptance, I guess.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> If this is the case, then does he lose his title completely,
> or become Archbishop of that city?

See the cited section of the rulebook for the answers to this and
other related questions.