[LSJ] Monçada question

Matthew T. Morgan

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Feb 13, 2003, 4:50:39 PM2/13/03

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If I have Monçada in my torpor region and Aaron Duggan in my ready region,
does it cost me a pool to have Aaron rescue Monçada from torpor?

Relevant card text:

Ambrosio Luis Monçada, Plenipotentiary [SW]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Lasombra
Group: 2
Capacity: 10
Discipline: aus for DOM OBT POT PRE
Sabbat Cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Actions directed at Monçada cost an
additional pool. If Monçada is ready during your discard phase, he can
untap another ready Lasombra.

This question came up in the jol tournament. A google search didn't turn
up anything. My suspicion is that Monçada's card text doesn't actually
care about (D) actions. Aaron is still targetting Monçada, even though
the action is undirected.

Thanks in advance!

-Matt

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R. David Zopf

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Feb 13, 2003, 4:57:11 PM2/13/03

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"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@io.com> wrote in message
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You've answered your own question. The action (rescue) is Undirected. This
is all that Moncada's text cares about.

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Matthew T. Morgan

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Feb 13, 2003, 5:03:53 PM2/13/03

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Maybe. My argument is that Monçada's text isn't referring to directed (D)
actions but actually means actions that target him. Perhaps I'm wrong
about that, though.

-Matt

Jozxyqk

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Feb 13, 2003, 5:04:15 PM2/13/03

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> You've answered your own question. The action (rescue) is Undirected. This
> is all that Moncada's text cares about.

So a cross-table rescue of Moncada would cost a pool?

James Coupe

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Feb 13, 2003, 6:07:16 PM2/13/03

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In message <zDU2a.100566$be.72222@rwcrnsc53>, Jozxyqk

Yes. It's an action directed at him.

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LSJ

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Feb 14, 2003, 7:53:48 AM2/14/03

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Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, R. David Zopf wrote:
>>"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@io.com> wrote in message

>>>If I have Monçada in my torpor region and Aaron Duggan in my ready region,
>>>does it cost me a pool to have Aaron rescue Monçada from torpor?
>>>
>>>Relevant card text:
>>>Ambrosio Luis Monçada, Plenipotentiary [SW]

>>>Sabbat Cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Actions directed at Monçada cost an
>>>additional pool. If Monçada is ready during your discard phase, he can
>>>untap another ready Lasombra.
>>>
>>>This question came up in the jol tournament. A google search didn't turn
>>>up anything. My suspicion is that Monçada's card text doesn't actually
>>>care about (D) actions. Aaron is still targetting Monçada, even though
>>>the action is undirected.
>>
>>You've answered your own question. The action (rescue) is Undirected. This
>>is all that Moncada's text cares about.
>
> Maybe. My argument is that Monçada's text isn't referring to directed (D)
> actions but actually means actions that target him. Perhaps I'm wrong
> about that, though.

Zopf's correct. Card text is referring to directed actions. Undirected actions
are not directed. For it to work the other way, it would've had to read
"Actions targeting Monçada cast an additional pool."

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Snapcase

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Feb 14, 2003, 10:07:15 AM2/14/03

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"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@io.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.030213...@fnord.io.com>...

> Relevant card text:

>
> Ambrosio Luis Monçada, Plenipotentiary [SW]

> Sabbat Cardinal: Monçada cannot block. Actions directed at Monçada cost an
> additional pool. If Monçada is ready during your discard phase, he can
> untap another ready Lasombra.

> Maybe. My argument is that Monçada's text isn't referring to directed (D)

> actions but actually means actions that target him. Perhaps I'm wrong
> about that, though.

His card text actually uses the word "directed", and makes no mention
of "targeted". How much more clear do you want it to be?

-Snapcase