Khalu and action cancellation
Kevin Walsh
minion still tap?
"Khalu may burn 5 blood to cancel a minion card played by your predator
or prey as it is played (no cost is paid)."
Kevin Walsh
PaulW...@gmail.com
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Jozxyqk
No. Just like Direct Intervention. The card is canceled as-played, so
the acting minion does not tap, and can even play another copy of the
same action card.
LSJ
Correct.
RocketEddy
This always confuses me.
Direct Intervention
Cancel a minion card as it is played.
-> minion DOESN'T use his minion-phase action
Sudden Reversal
Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played (no
cost is paid).
-> meth DOES lose his master action
why? I dunno. Just coz. DI has more explicit text stating that the
minion remains untapped etc, though this sounds like that is merely
"reminder" text rather than over-ruling the default. Yet sudden doesn't
doesnt have any text stating you DO lose your MPA, implying *that* is
also the default.
Jozxyqk
> LSJ wrote:
> > Jozxyqk wrote:
> > > Kevin Walsh <hja...@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
> > > > If Khalu cancels an action card with his special, does the acting
> > > > minion still tap?
> > >
> > > > "Khalu may burn 5 blood to cancel a minion card played by your predator
> > > > or prey as it is played (no cost is paid)."
> > >
> > > No. Just like Direct Intervention. The card is canceled as-played, so
> > > the acting minion does not tap, and can even play another copy of the
> > > same action card.
> >
> > Correct
> This always confuses me.
> Direct Intervention
> Cancel a minion card as it is played.
> -> minion DOESN'T use his minion-phase action
> Sudden Reversal
> Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played (no
> cost is paid).
> -> meth DOES lose his master action
> why?
Section 5 of the rulebook says (emphasis mine):
"By default, you receive only one master phase action....You may use a
master phase action to PLAY A MASTER CARD,..."
Playing the card counts as your Master Phase Action, regardless of how
the card resolves (or doesn't).
Playing a minion card has no such restriction.
LSJ
> LSJ wrote:
> > Jozxyqk wrote:
> > > Kevin Walsh <hja...@redbrick.dcu.ie> wrote:
> > > > If Khalu cancels an action card with his special, does the acting
> > > > minion still tap?
> > >
> > > > "Khalu may burn 5 blood to cancel a minion card played by your predator
> > > > or prey as it is played (no cost is paid)."
> > >
> > > No. Just like Direct Intervention. The card is canceled as-played, so
> > > the acting minion does not tap, and can even play another copy of the
> > > same action card.
> >
> > Correct
>
> This always confuses me.
>
> Direct Intervention
> Cancel a minion card as it is played.
> -> minion DOESN'T use his minion-phase action
A minion doesn't have a limit/quote on his minion-phase actions.
That is, he doesn't receive a minion phase action which he may spend to
attempt an action.
Attempting an action, not playing a card, taps the minion.
If the action card which would have begun the action is canceled, then
the minion doesn't attempt the action (and therefore doesn't tap for
the attempt).
He played an action card.
The card was canceled.
The action is not begun.
> Sudden Reversal
> Cancel a master card played by another Methuselah as it is played (no
> cost is paid).
> -> meth DOES lose his master action
He spent the MPA to play the card, yes. The card was indeed played (and
canceled "as played", but played nonetheless).
He spent an MPA. He played a master card. The card was canceled.
Kevin Walsh
> If the action card which would have begun the action is canceled, then
> the minion doesn't attempt the action (and therefore doesn't tap for
> the attempt).
>
cancelled cards are not automatically refunded, and that this is a
function of card text.
If my memory is correct, does this mean that when Khalu uses his
ability, cancelled action cards don't cost anything, but other cards
which are cancelled do?
Kevin Walsh
LSJ
> I can't find it now, but I seem to recall you ruling that costs for
> cancelled cards are not automatically refunded, and that this is a
> function of card text.
Correct.
> If my memory is correct, does this mean that when Khalu uses his
> ability, cancelled action cards don't cost anything, but other cards
> which are cancelled do?
No. Card text: "(no cost is paid)".