Heirs to the Blood Release Pushed back to 02/03/10
Rhavas
release date is now February 3, 2010.
For more information: http://extrala.blogspot.com/
Hopefully WW gets a nice discount on the cost of the next set due to
the printer making it so this set doesn't get released before
Christmas.
echia...@yahoo.com
I'm glad that VTES is still being supported by White Wolf and that the
next expansion is apparently in the works (according to Oscar).
However, I am rather disappointed by the printers. Once again the
printers end up dropping the ball. (There were several minor issues in
Keepers of Tradition, and a real major one with Third Edition, and
this one seems to be another major one since it's pushing the release
date back several months!).
It makes me long for the good old days of Carta Mundi. Reliable work
and awesome card stock (just feel the card quality on the old Sabbat
cards). I realize Carta Mundi is a bit more expensive, but after yet
another snafu, maybe it's worth it? (Plus with the dwindling of other
CCG's, maybe there's less competition for Carta Mundi nowadays?).
Speaking of excellent card stock, the original Rage cards were a thing
of beauty as well (even though the actual game really sucked).
IIRC, White Wolf has tried more than one bargain printer in recent
years. (First one in Canada, followed by one in China). But none have
been particularly impressive. I hope White Wolf seriously reconsiders
their choice of printers for the future.
brandonsantacruz
> years. (First one in Canada, followed by one in China). But none have
> been particularly impressive. I hope White Wolf seriously reconsiders
> their choice of printers for the future.
2nded. It's so painful to open 3rd edition. No wonder it sits on
shelves for so long. I've also had promos that are damaged, but I'm
told that has more to do with storage and shipping than manufacturing.
Brandon
Orpheus
news:d5ac88d5-4144-4c8a...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 18, 1:17 pm, Rhavas <anthony.lun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It appears that there was a major error at the printer and the new
> release date is now February 3, 2010.
>
> For more information:http://extrala.blogspot.com/
>
> Hopefully WW gets a nice discount on the cost of the next set due to
> the printer making it so this set doesn't get released before
> Christmas.
Incredible. :-(
"On the bright side, Oscar also reported that the expansion after "Heirs to
the Blood" is already in the pipeline."
I, for one, would be all in favor or expansions planned less close, but
worked upon "as if". For instance, if all this had been planned well (better
?) for 9 months / 6 months alternance, but was in fact closer than, say, 1
year / 6 (9 ?) months, we would have several advantages :
- better commercial and promotionnal planning
- more time for us to really get into the cards of the current expansion
- a safety period for such unexpected circumstances as the truckload of shit
that apparently fell from nowhere on top of HttB.
Sounds beneficial for all. In any case, what has happened here is bad for
everyone.
Much better to hold your money and expectations a little longer than to
think you're going to get a quality product with the appropriate promotion
and you just don't.
Orpheus
Frederick Scott
"Rhavas" <anthony...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e1d2b16e-ed0e-45ad...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
Hopefully, WW will get their butts in gear and confirm this - in which
case the pages on their own web site that are still promising Heirs to
the Blood on December 2nd and taking orders for pre-release kits need
to come down and other sources like Potomac Distribution need to be
informed. Or else deny it.
When product manufacturing snafus are driving you nuts, good
communication with your customers will go a long way towards making up
for it. At least, IMHO.
Fred
Juggernaut1981
> "Rhavas" <anthony.lun...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:e1d2b16e-ed0e-45ad...@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
It's because WW feel the need to compete directly with the High-Cycle
CCGs (Yugioh, MtG) that pump out a 100-150 card set every 6 months
like clockwork.
I think WW should maybe abandon that model and go for a 9 month
cycle... it will ensure that they can sell out print runs before
introducing the next set.
Matthew T. Morgan
> IIRC, White Wolf has tried more than one bargain printer in recent
> years. (First one in Canada, followed by one in China). But none have
> been particularly impressive. I hope White Wolf seriously reconsiders
> their choice of printers for the future.
There was also some printer in Texas that did Lords of the Night. I
thought that set came out well. Wonder why we switched back to Canada.
Anyway, put me down as someone who would prefer to pay a little more for
quality.
Matt Morgan
Jeff Poole
God that's annoying. WW needs to confirm this. I have an order out
with Potomac and a release tournament planned for the 5th out here in
Los Angeles!
Argh
Jeff Poole
librarian
Ebony K came out in May, now HttB comes out in Feb - 9 months! Maybe
this is WW's way of doing it...
best -
chris
YY
HttB.
Potomac confirmed a 2nd December ship for HttB.
WTH?!
-YY
Eliseu Angelo
Well... The absence of spoilers, so far, let me believe that something
was really delayed... and it was!
Lets hope that the back of the cards are similar to the other
editions...
Brum
There are no spoilers because the playtesters (this time) are keeping
their mouths (fingers) shut.
That's the only difference.
Cheers,
Tiago
John Flournoy
> their mouths (fingers) shut.
> That's the only difference.
Except for the part where a lot of the previous sets' spoilers came
from various magazine publications (and not from playtesters violating
their NDAs willy-nilly.)
> Cheers,
> Tiago
-John Flournoy
Juggernaut1981
Tiago,
Remember, just like politics there are two kinds of information leaks.
There are "LEAKS" where someone sacrifices their career, social
standing and a whole bunch of stuff to do the right thing.
And there are "leaks" where "an anonymous source" hands a journalist a
pre-written glowing article about some current topical political hobby
horse.
I assume VTES has the same kinds. "LEAKS" = People doing bad things
to their NDAs. "leaks" = WW being sneaky to stir up interest.
John P.
Don't know if its been mentioned here yet but it is now officially on
the White-wolf VTES page. Release date confirmed as pushed back to Feb
3.
John P
Winnipeg
XZealot
> Don't know if its been mentioned here yet but it is now officially on
> the White-wolf VTES page. Release date confirmed as pushed back to Feb
> 3.
Hey! The good news is that they will have time to put up a preview
page!
Brum
I told LSJ exactly that. His response was to shrug. And I understand.
The EC would've been a great place to start some leaks.
Appearently, its too soon for the second type.
Tiago
simcof
nine months between sets is my preferred amount of time. So I am
actually happy for this. I like a bit more time to digest each set. I
am still not done with Keepers of Tradition.
simcof
Brum
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I agree. With all the Storylines, drafts and Qualifiers going around
(people tend to go for older, safer stereotypes), there is little time
to digest strategies with the lattest sets.
Of course, there are other things to consider, like the profit that
the game must show for CCP to keep it, etc.
I think that the high of profit is during releases, so, more releases
- more profit.
Tiago
Kevin M.
> echia...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> IIRC, White Wolf has tried more than one bargain printer in recent
>> years. (First one in Canada, followed by one in China). But none have
>> been particularly impressive. I hope White Wolf seriously reconsiders
>> their choice of printers for the future.
>
> There was also some printer in Texas that did Lords of the Night.
That was Carta Mundi USA.
> I thought that set came out well. Wonder why we switched back
> to Canada.
Probably a lowest-bid procedure. :P
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RoddPrime
> Matthew T. Morgan wrote:
I don't get why there are so many problems with printing let alone
editing. I look at several other card games and they have very few
problems. Any game I play I expect quality. One would think such a
major company and order would have a set of proofs prior to full scale
printing.
Aaron Clark
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I work with a film festival every year, and we always have a set of
proofs from the printer for each item that gets printed. Several
people look at the proofs. This is basic project management. Of
course, errors still occur.
I would have to think that White Wolf might share some of the blame,
since they should have requested proof sheets and had a chance to
locate any major error the printer might have made before the print
run occurred. Who knows? These kind of projects are tough to manage,
I'm sure.
In any case, I'm just as happy for the delay - the new sets come far
to close to one another.