Slave rule and Siren's Lure (LSJ?)
Joshua Duffin
impossible. :-)
Suppose Angela Preston and Saxum, Master of Slaves are in play. Saxum
plays a Clan Impersonation to Daughters of Cacophony. Then, Angela
plays two Sanguine Instructions to give Saxum superior Melpominee.
Then, Angela Clan Impersonates to Tremere.
Angela Preston takes an action, which someone attempts to block. Saxum
plays Siren's Lure at [MEL] to make the block fail and fight that
blocker after the action. Then another vampire attempts to block, which
succeeds, and Angela's controller invokes the Slave rule to have Saxum
fight instead. Saxum now gets to fight in two sequential combats (first
the one from the Slave rule, replacing the block combat, and then the
one from Siren's Lure), correct?
thanks,
Josh
enslaved by a siren
Colin McGuigan
> Angela Preston takes an action, which someone attempts to block. Saxum
> plays Siren's Lure at [MEL] to make the block fail and fight that
> blocker after the action. Then another vampire attempts to block, which
> succeeds, and Angela's controller invokes the Slave rule to have Saxum
> fight instead. Saxum now gets to fight in two sequential combats (first
> the one from the Slave rule, replacing the block combat, and then the
> one from Siren's Lure), correct?
I _believe_, but am not sure, that you could not invoke the slave rule
to get Saxum into the combat, since another combat was already pending,
and you can only have one pending combat at a time.
(Compare and contrast to why you can't Psyche! an Illusions of the
Kindred. It would seem, unless I'm missing something, you could also
not IotK if a Siren's Lure had been played and was waiting to resolve.)
--Colin McGuigan
LSJ
Yes.
See also Obfuscate discipline cards and Mask of A Thousand Faces for a less
convoluted way to get a double shot of combat for a single vampire.
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Kevin M.
Play this deck at Origins and I'll give you a free rare. It'll even be a
*good* rare.
I. Dare. You.
hehee;)
> thanks,
> Josh
>
> enslaved by a siren
Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA)
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier
salem
<you...@imaspammer.org> scrawled:
>Joshua Duffin <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> OK, granted, this is kind of difficult to set up, but it's not
>> impossible. :-)
>>
>> Suppose Angela Preston and Saxum, Master of Slaves are in play. Saxum
>> plays a Clan Impersonation to Daughters of Cacophony. Then, Angela
>> plays two Sanguine Instructions to give Saxum superior Melpominee.
>> Then, Angela Clan Impersonates to Tremere.
>>
>> Angela Preston takes an action, which someone attempts to block.
>> Saxum plays Siren's Lure at [MEL] to make the block fail and fight
>> that blocker after the action. Then another vampire attempts to
>> block, which succeeds, and Angela's controller invokes the Slave rule
>> to have Saxum fight instead. Saxum now gets to fight in two
>> sequential combats (first the one from the Slave rule, replacing the
>> block combat, and then the one from Siren's Lure), correct?
>
>Play this deck at Origins and I'll give you a free rare. It'll even be a
>*good* rare.
Hell Hound?!?!? COOL!
(also, wouldn't the combo be easier if you used Pugfar and a !Trem
with a MEL Infernal Pact?)
salem
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Joshua Duffin
"salem" <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It sure would... if that were legal. [LSJ 9-Feb-2003]
This idea was actually Trey Morita's (one of those "wacky combos" you
come up with during VTES-related road trips) and the original concept
was to use Infernal Pact, since that way you only need one Clan
Impersonation (and get to use Dominate). Unfortunately, on getting home
and reading the actual text of Infernal Pact, it doesn't truly grant you
the superior discipline, just the ability to play cards requiring that
discipline as if you had the superior. Since Sanguine Instruction
doesn't require *that* discipline... we are sad. :-)
Kevin - I could (and might!) play the deck at Origins, but at the moment
it's not so much a "deck" as a "silly combo idea". And I'm not sure
it's one that a deck can really be built around. ;-)
Plus, Scott is definitely right that Siren's Lure + Mask of 1000 Faces
would be a lot easier to set up. heh.
Josh
i'm a... slaaaaaave to you
Joshua Duffin
"Colin McGuigan" <maguaSP...@speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:GGidnYFCaJD...@speakeasy.net...
> Joshua Duffin wrote:
> > Angela Preston takes an action, which someone attempts to block.
Saxum
> > plays Siren's Lure at [MEL] to make the block fail and fight that
> > blocker after the action. Then another vampire attempts to block,
which
> > succeeds, and Angela's controller invokes the Slave rule to have
Saxum
> > fight instead. Saxum now gets to fight in two sequential combats
(first
> > the one from the Slave rule, replacing the block combat, and then
the
> > one from Siren's Lure), correct?
>
> I _believe_, but am not sure, that you could not invoke the slave rule
> to get Saxum into the combat, since another combat was already
pending,
> and you can only have one pending combat at a time.
>
> (Compare and contrast to why you can't Psyche! an Illusions of the
> Kindred. It would seem, unless I'm missing something, you could also
> not IotK if a Siren's Lure had been played and was waiting to
resolve.)
Right, you can't Illusions of the Kindred when a Siren's Lure has been
played during the current action, based on the "can't queue an
additional combat if a combat is already queued" ruling. But the
invocation of the Slave rule does not queue an additional combat - it
just substitutes a different combat for the "normal" block combat. As
Scott pointed out, you can do this with Mask of 1000 Faces and Siren's
Lure for nearly the same functionality. (Although that way you do just
have a normal block combat, albeit not involving the original acting
minion. :-)
Josh
why must my blocks always fail?
salem
<jtdu...@yahoo.com> scrawled:
also, i noticed you actually want the MEL on the gargoyle, not on the
(!)Tremere. oh well. :)
so, first you get pugfar to clan impersonate !trem, then he gets a MEL
Infernal pact. then Bryan bleeds, pugfar siren's lure's, someone else
blocks, pugfar slaves' Bryan, fights the blocker with
TS/IG/pounce/Disarm, and then Bryan Graverobs with a seduction.
>Kevin - I could (and might!) play the deck at Origins, but at the moment
>it's not so much a "deck" as a "silly combo idea". And I'm not sure
>it's one that a deck can really be built around. ;-)
>
>Plus, Scott is definitely right that Siren's Lure + Mask of 1000 Faces
>would be a lot easier to set up. heh.
Obfuscate is for losers.