Big Deck Variants Request
The Lasombra
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I recently unearthed my huge collection of Jyhad cards and I'd like to
bring the game to my current group, who plays big deck/ one set games
like Illuminati, Dominion and others. I could create different decks
for each player to choose from but I am pretty out of it as far as
deck building goes (though your deck lists are great!), and I would
like to explore a more varied style of Jyhad playing if that's even
possible. Do you know of any one-big-deck variants for Jyhad/V:TES?
I've been scouring the internet looking for the article printed years
and years ago in the Duelist. Any info would be great, as well as any
tips on building beginner decks for a group of four. I have tons of
cards at my disposal.
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How would you answer it?
The Lasombra
This is how I replied:
Any variants of which I am aware would be here:
http://www.thelasombra.com/variants.htm
In my opinion, the clans are too varied to play with one universal
deck. You would always have way too many cards that you couldn't use,
both in hand and coming up in the library. (39 clans and bloodlines,
28 different disciplines, 13 different titles, 5 different sects,
etc.)
You might try using the Imperator deck rules from the Imperator
storyline (page 2).
http://www.vtesstorylines.com/Pdfs/Imperator_Rules.pdf
That's probably the closest to the Illuminati/Dominion experience.
John P.
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:35:47 -0500, The Lasombra wrote:
> >Got this in email.....
> >------------------------
> >I recently unearthed my huge collection of Jyhad cards and I'd like to
> >bring the game to my current group, who plays big deck/ one set games
> >like Illuminati, Dominion and others. I could create different decks
> >for each player to choose from but I am pretty out of it as far as
> >deck building goes (though your deck lists are great!), and I would
> >like to explore a more varied style of Jyhad playing if that's even
> >possible. Do you know of any one-big-deck variants for Jyhad/V:TES?
> >I've been scouring the internet looking for the article printed years
> >and years ago in the Duelist. Any info would be great, as well as any
> >tips on building beginner decks for a group of four. I have tons of
> >cards at my disposal.
> >------------------------
> >How would you answer it?
>
I suppose you could build 1 really large deck of 1 or two
complimentary clans and run a "large deck" from that.
Jazzbeaux
> How would you answer it?
I made a large Happy Families deck of focussing on the original clans,
which sounds like something you want to do. I multiplied the ratios
up from the formula devised by James McClellan, and inserted into the
ARDB.
Deck Name : PMF Jyhad
Author : Sam Marsh
Description :
12 X 2.5 = 30
90 X 3 = 270
Ani 10/30 5/5
Aus 16/30 5/11
Cel 12/30 0/12
Dom 12/30 5/7
For 11/30 3/8
Obf 8/30 6/2
Pot 9/30 3/6
Pre 8/30 3/5
Pro 6/30 2/4
Tha 4/30 2/2
For 90 card Happy Family, so multiply by 3
18x Master 54
10x Auspex 30
8x Dominate 24
7x Animalism 21
7x Obfuscate 21
7x Fortitude 21
6x Potence 18
5x Celerity 15
4x Presence 12
3x Protean 9
2x Thaumaturgy 6
13x disciplineless 39
Crypt (30 vampires) Capacity min: 1 max: 10 average: 5.4
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1x Angus the Unruled 10 ANI PRO cel for pot justicar Gangrel:
1
1x Democritus 10 DOM PRE aus cel for justicar Ventrue:
1
1x Ulugh Beg, The Wat 10 AUS DOM THA cel for pot justicar Tremere:
1
1x Cardano 9 DOM FOR THA ani aus cel prince Tremere:
1
1x Ingrid Rossler 9 ANI FOR PRO dom prince Gangrel:
2
1x Sheldon, Lord of t 9 ANI AUS OBF POT for justicar
Nosferatu:1
1x Ebanezer Roush 8 ANI OBF POT pro
Nosferatu:1
1x Selma the Repugnan 8 OBF POT ani for prince
Nosferatu:1
1x Gilbert Duane 7 AUS DOM OBF prince
Malkavian:1
1x Gunther, Beast Lor 7 ANI aus for pro Gangrel:
1
1x Timothy Crowley 7 FOR PRE ani dom prince Ventrue:
1
1x Ozmo 6 AUS dom obf
Malkavian:1
1x Rake 6 PRE aus cel pot prince Brujah:
1
1x Thomas Thorne 6 DOM ani aus cel tha Tremere:
1
1x Melissa Barton 5 cel dom for pre Ventrue:
1
1x Sabine Lafitte 5 aus dom pot tha Tremere:
1
1x Zebulon 5 OBF aus dom pro
Malkavian:1
1x Agrippina 4 OBF pot
Nosferatu:1
1x Courtland Leighton 4 dom for pre Ventrue:
1
1x Demetrius Slater 4 aus cel pre
Toreador:1
1x Dorian Strack 4 AUS cel
Toreador:1
1x Colin Flynn 3 aus cel
Toreador:1
1x Dollface 3 aus obf
Malkavian:1
1x Uma Hatch 3 cel pre Brujah:
1
1x Angel 2 cel Brujah:
1
1x Dieter Kleist 2 aus
Toreador:1
1x Lupo 2 pot Brujah:
1
1x Vliam Andor 2 ani Gangrel:
1
1x Igo the Hungry 1 pre pro Caitiff:
1
1x Smudge the Ignored 1 Caitiff:
1
Library (300 cards)
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Action (34)
3x Army of Rats
1x Blood Bond
2x Bum's Rush
2x Computer Hacking
2x Cryptic Mission
2x Enchant Kindred
4x Govern the Unaligned
2x Graverobbing
1x Legal Manipulations
3x Night Moves
2x Pulse of the Canaille
2x Rampage
3x Rapid Healing
3x Restoration
2x Social Charm
Action Modifier (39)
2x Bewitching Oration
7x Bonding
1x Bribes
2x Change of Target
3x Cloak the Gathering
3x Conditioning
2x Earth Control
3x Faceless Night
2x Hidden Lurker
2x Lost in Crowds
4x Seduction
4x Spying Mission
4x Threats
Combat (84)
2x Acrobatics
3x Aid from Bats
2x Aura Reading
3x Blur
1x Burst of Sunlight
2x Canine Horde
1x Claws of the Dead
2x Concealed Weapon
2x Conquer the Beast
2x Disguised Weapon
2x Dodge
1x Drawing Out the Beast
2x Earth Meld
2x Fake Out
1x Fast Hands
3x Flash
2x Gleam of Red Eyes
5x Indomitability
1x Infernal Pursuit
2x Lucky Blow
3x Majesty
2x Mighty Grapple
2x Read Intentions
2x Shattering Blow
3x Sideslip
5x Skin of Steel
3x Theft of Vitae
4x Thrown Gate
2x Thrown Sewer Lid
5x Undead Strength
5x Unflinching Persistence
2x Vampiric Speed
2x Vanish from the Mind's Eye
1x Well-Aimed Car
2x Wolf Claws
Equipment (16)
3x .44 Magnum
2x Deer Rifle
1x Flak Jacket
1x IR Goggles
1x Laptop Computer
3x Saturday-Night Special
3x Sawed-Off Shotgun
2x Sport Bike
Master (54)
6x Ascendance
1x Barrens, The
12x Blood Doll
6x Deal with the Devil
5x Effective Management
1x Elder Library
1x Elysium: The Arboretum
1x Fame
4x Gird Minions
1x Haven Uncovered
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Metro Underground
8x Minion Tap
1x Mob Connections
1x Police Department
1x Powerbase: Chicago
1x Rack, The
1x Sudden Reversal
1x Vulnerability
Political Action (11)
1x Ancilla Empowerment
1x Autarkis Persecution
1x Consanguineous Condemnation
3x Conservative Agitation
3x Kine Resources Contested
1x Parity Shift
1x Rumors of Gehenna
Reaction (58)
3x Cats' Guidance
2x Delaying Tactics
2x Dread Gaze
7x Enhanced Senses
1x Political Backlash
3x Rat's Warning
2x Second Tradition: Domain
4x Spirit's Touch
1x Surprise Influence
6x Telepathic Counter
7x Telepathic Misdirection
20x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Retainer (4)
1x Owl Companion
3x Raven Spy
So long as you give it a REALLY good shuffle it works fine. One thing
I would suggest is to split the crypt into low caps and high caps for
the initial draw and get players to draw two cards from each,
otherwise you could get really screwed from the first turn. Shuffle
the crypt back together after that.
Sam
Meej
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:35:47 -0500, The Lasombra wrote:
> >Got this in email.....
> >------------------------
> >I recently unearthed my huge collection of Jyhad cards and I'd like to
> >bring the game to my current group, who plays big deck/ one set games
> >like Illuminati, Dominion and others. I could create different decks
> >for each player to choose from but I am pretty out of it as far as
> >deck building goes (though your deck lists are great!), and I would
> >like to explore a more varied style of Jyhad playing if that's even
> >possible. Do you know of any one-big-deck variants for Jyhad/V:TES?
> >I've been scouring the internet looking for the article printed years
> >and years ago in the Duelist. Any info would be great, as well as any
> >tips on building beginner decks for a group of four. I have tons of
> >cards at my disposal.
> >------------------------
> >How would you answer it?
>
> This is how I replied:
> In my opinion, the clans are too varied to play with one universal
> deck. You would always have way too many cards that you couldn't use,
> both in hand and coming up in the library. (39 clans and bloodlines,
> 28 different disciplines, 13 different titles, 5 different sects,
> etc.)
If the OP's card set is really heavy on Jyhad and original VTES,
though, a whole lot of that mix goes away. That still doesn't make it
easy... but it makes it plausible.
If we go back to just original-set cards, that puts us at 7 clans, 10?
disciplines, and 3 titles. Since each clan has about 1/3 of those
disciplines, and there's some overlap between clans, I think I'd do
something like the following:
Mix all the vampires, and all the library cards, into single stacks,
with at least 12 vampires per player and at least 60? library cards
per player. At game start, each player draws 12 vampires for opening
crypt and 21 cards for opening hand, picks 4 and 7, and discards the
rest into the "castoff" pile next to each stack. Whenever a player
would draw a card (library or crypt) he or she draws 3 and picks one,
putting the rest in the castoffs pile. When the draw pile runs out,
shuffle the castoffs and refill. When the castoffs are all used, too
(which should be the third time through the deck), players could
reshuffle their library discards...
Thoughts?
- D.J.
Rehlow
If the card set was limited to Jyhad and Vtes base set you could try
something like having a shared crypt and then multiple shared
libraries. One library for all the Auspex cards, one for Animalism,
one for Celerity, and so on for each of the disciplines. Then one more
library of the rest of the cards (or you could do some more divisions
if you wanted to, Political Actions, Equipment). You'd need some sort
of labelling system, but whenever you draw to replace you choose what
library you want to draw from. Then you could leverage some of the
wacky off-clan disciplines some vampires have by drawing from that
stack. If the cardsets include Independents, Sabbat, and/or Laibon you
are probably getting into the realm of too many stacks to be
reasonable. This would be quiet a different game than regular Vtes,
but it looks like they are more interested in a 4 player card game
than a deckbuilding game.
Later,
~Rehlow
librarian
Sounds interesting. 1 recursion? Or two...
Meej
> Meej wrote:
> > If we go back to just original-set cards, that puts us at 7 clans, 10?
> > disciplines, and 3 titles. Since each clan has about 1/3 of those
> > disciplines, and there's some overlap between clans, I think I'd do
> > something like the following:
>
> > Mix all the vampires, and all the library cards, into single stacks,
> > with at least 12 vampires per player and at least 60? library cards
> > per player. At game start, each player draws 12 vampires for opening
> > crypt and 21 cards for opening hand, picks 4 and 7, and discards the
> > rest into the "castoff" pile next to each stack. Whenever a player
> > would draw a card (library or crypt) he or she draws 3 and picks one,
> > putting the rest in the castoffs pile. When the draw pile runs out,
> > shuffle the castoffs and refill. When the castoffs are all used, too
> > (which should be the third time through the deck), players could
> > reshuffle their library discards...
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> Sounds interesting. 1 recursion? Or two...
Probably 1; hard to say without trying it. It'd definitely be more
interesting with a determined mix of cards rather than a random
assortment, I think, so maybe Sam's Happy Families Monster is a
starting point for it...
- D.J.