TOM: Q: DS: Triole's Revenge

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Biomech8

Dec 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/11/95
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In article <4ahqh3\$9...@redwood.cs.sc.edu>, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L.
Scott Johnson) writes:

>Triole's Revenge - Action (Bru) (2):
>+1 STEALTH ACTION
>(D) Put this card on a Ventrue who is not at full capacity. A
>Ventrue suffering from Triol's Revenge hunts each turn. If the Ventrue
>hunts while at full capacity, he or she is burned. Any Ventrue can take
>an action to burn this card.

If the Ventrue must hunt each turn, is there any order to the actions that
minion must take (like the equivelant of an empty vampire?) or can the
Ventrue take other actions (possibly freak drive etc. to lose blood) and
then hunt?

L. Scott Johnson

Dec 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/11/95
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Triole's Revenge - Action (Bru) (2):
+1 STEALTH ACTION
(D) Put this card on a Ventrue who is not at full capacity. A
Ventrue suffering from Triol's Revenge hunts each turn. If the Ventrue
hunts while at full capacity, he or she is burned. Any Ventrue can take
an action to burn this card.

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Is the Ventrue burned when he successfully hunts at full, or merely when
he attempts to hunt at full (and possibly blocked)?
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Thomas R Wylie

Dec 12, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/12/95
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The vampire is only burned if it takes a hunting action that isn't
blocked (so is burned even if it winds up hunting for 0).

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aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

rit...@cruzio.com

Dec 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/13/95
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In article <4aictb\$8...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, biom...@aol.com (Biomech8) writes:
> In article <4ahqh3\$9...@redwood.cs.sc.edu>, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L.
> Scott Johnson) writes:
>
> >Triole's Revenge - Action (Bru) (2):
> >+1 STEALTH ACTION
> >(D) Put this card on a Ventrue who is not at full capacity. A
> >Ventrue suffering from Triol's Revenge hunts each turn. If the Ventrue
> >hunts while at full capacity, he or she is burned. Any Ventrue can take
> >an action to burn this card.
>
> If the Ventrue must hunt each turn, is there any order to the actions that
> minion must take (like the equivelant of an empty vampire?) or can the
> Ventrue take other actions (possibly freak drive etc. to lose blood) and
> then hunt?

The minion must hunt first, seeing as how you never know if said
freakdrive is going to work.
oTOH, you can have a Vantrue burn the card before the unfortunate has
to hunt....

BTW, this is totally off-topic, but I just stumbled on to this one
while I was replying to this:

If you have superior FORTITUDE, and PROTEAN, you have an infinite loop
available: (as an example, I will use Raven, who has a capacity of 5, and has
both superior disciplines)

First, make sure that your prey has no untapped minions, and is out of Wakes.

Second, bleed your prey for one, or for whatever reason get tapped (not
usually a problem)

Third, Force of Will. Prey loses 3 pool, Raven loses 2 blood and goes to
torpor tapped.

Fourth, Movement of the Slow Body. Raven gains 1 blood and untaps.

Fifth, Rapid Healing. Raven gains 1 more blood, and leaves Torpor tapped.

Sixth, you now have Raven, with just as much blood as she had before, in the
same situation that she was in at the start, and your prey has lost 3 pool.
Start over!

Sorry to get sidetracked like that, anyone feel the need to make such a deck?

Ritaxis
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Nicole Janine Purvis

Dec 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/14/95
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Thomas R Wylie (aa...@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:

: Biomech8 <biom...@aol.com> wrote:
: >If the Ventrue must hunt each turn, is there any order to the actions that

: >minion must take (like the equivelant of an empty vampire?) or can the
: >Ventrue take other actions (possibly freak drive etc. to lose blood) and
: >then hunt?

: The Ventrue in question cannot take an action before hunting (otherwise
: it is trivial to circumvent the effect). However, you can put this off
: so another Ventrue can burn the Revenge, and thus avoid the
: hunting requirement.

: Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for

: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Huh. Didn't the rulebook say that the first actions on a Methuselah's
turn are those of vampires forced to hunt? Was this changed in VTES or is
this errata to this card?

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Shane Travis

Dec 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/14/95
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Nicole Janine Purvis (npu...@tiger.lsu.edu) wrote:
: Thomas R Wylie (aa...@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:

: : The Ventrue in question cannot take an action before hunting (otherwise

: : it is trivial to circumvent the effect). However, you can put this off
: : so another Ventrue can burn the Revenge, and thus avoid the
: : hunting requirement.

: Huh. Didn't the rulebook say that the first actions on a Methuselah's

: turn are those of vampires forced to hunt? Was this changed in VTES or is
: this errata to this card?

I believe that any vampires which are forced to hunt _because they have
no blood_ must do so at the beginning of your minion phase before any
other actions are taken. In the case of Triole's Revenge, however, the
card simply says that the vampire 'must hunt' - giving no indication as
to where in the Minion phase this must take place, and leaving the option
open to the controlling Methuselah.

Shane H.W. Travis | I try to take one day at a time,
tra...@duke.usask.ca | but sometimes several days attack at once.

Thomas R Wylie

Dec 14, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/14/95
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Biomech8 <biom...@aol.com> wrote:
>If the Ventrue must hunt each turn, is there any order to the actions that
>minion must take (like the equivelant of an empty vampire?) or can the
>Ventrue take other actions (possibly freak drive etc. to lose blood) and
>then hunt?

The Ventrue in question cannot take an action before hunting (otherwise

it is trivial to circumvent the effect). However, you can put this off
so another Ventrue can burn the Revenge, and thus avoid the
hunting requirement.

Biomech8

Dec 15, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/15/95
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In article <4ap3ci\$1v...@tiger4.ocs.lsu.edu>, npu...@tiger.lsu.edu (Nicole
Janine Purvis) writes:

> Huh. Didn't the rulebook say that the first actions on a Methuselah's
>turn are those of vampires forced to hunt? Was this changed in VTES or is

>this errata to this card?

I believe the rule was those vampires that were empty and forced to hunt
must go before any other action at any point in the phase... but I'll have
to double check :-)

Algustas

Dec 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/16/95
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Hi Ritaxis,
but not unbalancing, since it takes so many cards that you will not be
able to do anything else, thus you may not get a chance to set it up.
Don't try it in a big game....
Algustas
*****What do you think you are going to do with that bow and arrow,
kid?***** Titan, Will to Power#11

*****Kill You.***** King Tiger, Will to Power#11

Thomas R Wylie

Dec 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/16/95
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>: Huh. Didn't the rulebook say that the first actions on a Methuselah's
>: turn are those of vampires forced to hunt? Was this changed in VTES or is
>: this errata to this card?
>I believe that any vampires which are forced to hunt _because they have
>no blood_ must do so at the beginning of your minion phase before any
>other actions are taken. In the case of Triole's Revenge, however, the
>card simply says that the vampire 'must hunt' - giving no indication as
>to where in the Minion phase this must take place, and leaving the option
>open to the controlling Methuselah.

Correct.

Eric Pettersen

Dec 18, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/18/95
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npu...@tiger.lsu.edu (Nicole Janine Purvis) wrote:
-> Thomas R Wylie (aa...@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:
->
-> : The Ventrue in question cannot take an action before hunting (otherwise
-> : it is trivial to circumvent the effect). However, you can put this off
-> : so another Ventrue can burn the Revenge, and thus avoid the
-> : hunting requirement.
->
-> : Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for
-> : aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
->
-> Huh. Didn't the rulebook say that the first actions on a Methuselah's
-> turn are those of vampires forced to hunt? Was this changed in VTES or is
-> this errata to this card?
->
-> --

Right. The VTES rulebook explicitly says that empty vampires must hunt,
and do so before other minion actions.
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Eric Pettersen
UCSF Computer Graphics Lab
pe...@cgl.ucsf.edu (NeXTmail capable)
http://cgl.ucsf.edu/cgl

Eric Pettersen

Dec 21, 1995, 3:00:00 AM12/21/95
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pe...@homer.ucsf.edu (Eric Pettersen) wrote:
-> npu...@tiger.lsu.edu (Nicole Janine Purvis) wrote:
--> Huh. Didn't the rulebook say that the first actions on a Methuselah's
--> turn are those of vampires forced to hunt? Was this changed in VTES
--> or is this errata to this card?
-->
--> --
->
-> Right. The VTES rulebook explicitly says that empty vampires must hunt,
-> and do so before other minion actions.

I love following up to my own post. My second sentence is correct, but
doesn't support what Nicole says since, as has been pointed out, a vampire
under Triole's Revenge (or XTC Laced Blood for that matter) isn't empty.

--Eric