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NRA PAC, DI, Mind Numb

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Mirko Marinkovic

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Jan 25, 2010, 5:52:51 AM1/25/10
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Hi All

1) If NRA PAC is in play, and vampire equips using :
a)Magic Of The Smith
b)Alastor
c)Concealed/Hidden Weapon
does he untaps at the and of the turn?

2)If a vampire A puts Mind Numb on a vampire B, and vampire A
controller is ousted before his next untap phase, does Mind Numb stays
on vampire B as long as that vampire controller is in game?

Mind Numb
Type: Action
Requires: Presence
Cost: 1 blood
[pre] (D) Put this card on any untapped vampire. Tap that vampire; he
or she does not untap as normal during his or her controller's untap
phase. Burn this card during your next untap phase.
[PRE] As above, with +1 stealth.

3)
a)If vampire A plays Concealed Weapon / Magnum does another player
can DI Magnum? If answer is Yes, can vampire A play another Magnum
form his hand?
b)Same question for playing DI on Concealed Weapon?
( I know there are posts for this but because English is not my native
language I did not understood well)

4)
a)If vampire A plays Magic Of The Smith, can another player DI the
equipment he searched for? If Yes, does vampire A pays for Magic Of
The Smith?
b)If Alastor is played, can DI be used on equipment?

Thank You and excuse my bad English

Martin Tibor Major

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Jan 25, 2010, 6:08:45 AM1/25/10
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Hi!

This is what I think:

1) If the card is an action and says "euip" like magic of the smith,
then you do untap, if not, then not. Concealed weapon is not an
action, alastor doesn't say "euip", so you don't untap.
2) Mind Num leaves play.
3) You cannot DI Magnum in this case. You can DI the concealed weapon.
Players are used to put concealed weapon and the weapon on the table
at the same time. That ain't no good. You play the concealed ask for
di, if there is no di you can play the weapon card. If conceald weapon
gets di-d you can play another concealed weapon.
4) a) no, the euipment cannot be di-d, same for alastor.

BR

Martin

LSJ

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Jan 25, 2010, 6:47:32 AM1/25/10
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On Jan 25, 5:52 am, Mirko Marinkovic <edger2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> 1) If NRA PAC  is in play, and vampire equips using :
>  a)Magic Of The Smith
>  b)Alastor
>  c)Concealed/Hidden Weapon
> does he untaps at the and of the turn?

A. Yes
B. No. (Not an equip action)
C. No. (Not an equip action)

> 2)If a vampire A  puts Mind Numb on a vampire B, and vampire A
> controller is ousted before his next untap phase, does Mind Numb stays
> on vampire B as long as that vampire controller is in game?

No. It is a minion card, so it is controlled by the controller of the
minion it is on. It burns on B's controller's untap phase.

> Mind Numb
> Type: Action
> Requires: Presence
> Cost: 1 blood
> [pre] (D) Put this card on any untapped vampire. Tap that vampire; he
> or she does not untap as normal during his or her controller's untap
> phase. Burn this card during your next untap phase.
> [PRE] As above, with +1 stealth.
>
> 3)
> a)If vampire A plays Concealed Weapon / Magnum does  another player
> can DI  Magnum?

No. Di can only cancel normal card plays.

>If answer is Yes, can vampire A play another Magnum
> form his hand?

Moot.

> b)Same question for playing DI on Concealed Weapon?

Yes. (In which case, the Magnum remains in the player's hand).

> ( I know there are posts for this but because English is not my native
> language I did not understood well)

> 4)
> a)If vampire A plays Magic Of The Smith, can another player DI the
> equipment he searched for?

No.

> If Yes, does vampire A pays for Magic Of
> The Smith?
> b)If Alastor is played, can DI be used on equipment?

No.


Martin Tibor Major

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Jan 25, 2010, 6:51:21 AM1/25/10
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I was right then :)

LSJ

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Jan 25, 2010, 7:53:32 AM1/25/10
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On Jan 25, 6:51 am, Martin Tibor Major <major.martin.ti...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was right then :)

As you say; I stopped reading when I found no context for things like
"Mind Numb leaves play".

Right or wrong, I figured a reply with quotes-for-context would not be
superfluous in any case.

Martin Tibor Major

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Jan 25, 2010, 10:08:20 AM1/25/10
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As you say; I stopped reading when I found no context for things like
"Mind Numb leaves play".


Mea culpa :)

Johannes Walch

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Jan 28, 2010, 11:51:47 AM1/28/10
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LSJ schrieb:

>> 3)
>> a)If vampire A plays Concealed Weapon / Magnum does another player
>> can DI Magnum?
>
> No. Di can only cancel normal card plays.
>
>> If answer is Yes, can vampire A play another Magnum
>> form his hand?
>
> Moot.
>
>> b)Same question for playing DI on Concealed Weapon?
>
> Yes. (In which case, the Magnum remains in the player's hand).

In any case it is no harm and should be legal showing the Weapon card
along with the Concealed Weapon since you are not offering any
additional information to the other players since you cannot name a
weapon you don�t have in your hand. Just make sure to only replace the
CW first and only replace the Weapon when it actually is put on a minion.

Salem

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Jan 31, 2010, 5:55:10 AM1/31/10
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LSJ wrote:
> On Jan 25, 5:52 am, Mirko Marinkovic <edger2...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

>> 2)If a vampire A puts Mind Numb on a vampire B, and vampire A
>> controller is ousted before his next untap phase, does Mind Numb stays
>> on vampire B as long as that vampire controller is in game?
>
> No. It is a minion card, so it is controlled by the controller of the
> minion it is on. It burns on B's controller's untap phase.

why does it use the convoluted "his or her controller's untap phase" for
one part of the card, and "during your next untap phase" for the next
part, when "his or her controller" and "you" are the same methuselah?

To clarify how it works:

A puts mind numb on B. During B's untap phase, they don't untap as
normal AND they burn mind numb in that untap phase too? (Obviously,
after the mandatory 'untap all your cards' step, otherwise the card
would be pretty pointless)

Is that correct?

>> Mind Numb
>> Type: Action
>> Requires: Presence
>> Cost: 1 blood
>> [pre] (D) Put this card on any untapped vampire. Tap that vampire; he
>> or she does not untap as normal during his or her controller's untap
>> phase. Burn this card during your next untap phase.
>> [PRE] As above, with +1 stealth.

--
salem
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LSJ

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Jan 31, 2010, 7:53:30 AM1/31/10
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On Jan 31, 5:55 am, Salem <kella...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> LSJ wrote:
> > On Jan 25, 5:52 am, Mirko Marinkovic <edger2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> >> 2)If a vampire A  puts Mind Numb on a vampire B, and vampire A
> >> controller is ousted before his next untap phase, does Mind Numb stays
> >> on vampire B as long as that vampire controller is in game?
>
> > No. It is a minion card, so it is controlled by the controller of the
> > minion it is on. It burns on B's controller's untap phase.
>
> why does it use the convoluted "his or her controller's untap phase" for
> one part of the card, and "during your next untap phase" for the next
> part, when "his or her controller" and "you" are the same methuselah?

It's not convoluted text. The text lets players understand how it
works in general with a single reading of he card. Then, when tricky
corner-case situations come up, the text also suffices to resolve
them.

> To clarify how it works:
>
> A puts mind numb on B. During B's untap phase, they don't untap as
> normal AND they burn mind numb in that untap phase too? (Obviously,
> after the mandatory 'untap all your cards' step, otherwise the card
> would be pretty pointless)
>
> Is that correct?

Yes.

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