Fate of Master Cards upon controller's ousting
legb...@my-deja.com
coming up in tourneys and playgroups and no-one believes me when i say
the following:
If a methuselah is ousted then all the master cards s/he played leave the
table, unless stated otherwise by card text, or unless the cards have
been taken over in some way [eg Disputed territory on a master location,
or tricky stuff that steals discipline cards]. This includes Fame and
Discipline cards that s/he played on someone else's vampires.
Am i right?
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Ramsteiner
Last I heard, this is correct. And with the Discipline cards leaving
the table sounds odd, but it falls in line with everything else from
what I have read from Derek, Coupe and LSJ.
Michael Eichler
Prince of Ramstein
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LSJ
>
> i'm pretty sure i know the answer to this but i want to check - it keeps
> coming up in tourneys and playgroups and no-one believes me when i say
> the following:
>
> If a methuselah is ousted then all the master cards s/he played leave the
> table, unless stated otherwise by card text, or unless the cards have
> been taken over in some way [eg Disputed territory on a master location,
> or tricky stuff that steals discipline cards]. This includes Fame and
> Discipline cards that s/he played on someone else's vampires.
Correct. The same is true for all cards (not just master cards) that
she controls - although Master cards tend to be the primary examples
since they are controlled by the Methuselah who played them by default
(unlike minion cards, which are, by default, controlled by the
controller of the minion they are on).
See the rulebook, section 1.3, for details.
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James Coupe
deja.com> writes
>And with the Discipline cards leaving
>the table sounds odd, but it falls in line with everything else from
>what I have read from Derek, Coupe and LSJ.
The master card was played by you, and control never passed to another
Methuselah. (I guess you could if you were really bothered, with a
Succubus Club or Malkavian Time Auction.)
Hence, the card is still controlled by you when you are ousted and, as
with all master cards you control, leaves with you.
--
James Coupe
Petri Wessman
James> In article <8l1j7o$je2$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Ramsteiner <ramsteiner@my-
deja.com> writes
>> And with the Discipline cards leaving
>> the table sounds odd, but it falls in line with everything else from
>> what I have read from Derek, Coupe and LSJ.
James> The master card was played by you, and control never passed to
James> another Methuselah. (I guess you could if you were really
James> bothered, with a Succubus Club or Malkavian Time Auction.)
James> Hence, the card is still controlled by you when you are ousted
James> and, as with all master cards you control, leaves with you.
Yup. Since this issue has confused lots of people in the past
(inclding me ;), it probably would be a good idea to but the following
snip from the current errata/clarifications document into the rulebook
proper. Afaik, the online rulebook does not specify precisely what
happens when a Meth is ousted (or actually, does not specify who
controls what cards).
Controlled Cards
By default: each Crypt card in play is controlled by the
Methuselah who put it into play; each Master card in play is
controlled controlled by the Methuselah who put it into play;
and each Minion card is controlled by the controller of the
minion it is on, or if it is not on a minion, then it is
controlled by the Methuselah who put it into play. [LSJ
19990119]
//Petri