Re: Ruling on Saulot's blood moving special?: LSJ?
Pat
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> Okay, can Saulot move just 1 blood to another vampire during your
> untap?
>
>
> Or does he have to move blood in increments of 2?
>
Card text says "up to 2 blood," so he can move zero, one, or two blood. (Or,
to be perfectly pedantic, it's "you," the Methuselah, who's doing the
moving.)
- Pat
jeff...@pacbell.net
Good answer, but that isn't what Saulot's card text says.
Staring at it in my hands....
"...During your untap phase, you may move 2 blood from Saulot to any
vampire in your uncontrolled region or in play..."
That's what we need a ruling on.
Jeff
d
moving special" as only a clarification, not a ruling, is required.
d
has been questioned in a JOL game and will surely be coming up
regularly if not resolved.
Card text:
Saulot, The Wanderer [LoB:U]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Salubri
Group: 4
Capacity: 11
Discipline: dai AUS FOR OBE THA VAL
Independent: Damage Baali inflict on Saulot is reduced to 0. During
your untap phase, you may move 2 blood from Saulot to any vampire in
your uncontrolled region or in play. +1 bleed. +1 strength. Scarce.
d
JOL game and will surely come up often if not resolved.
LSJ
> Sorry, this should also be titled "Clarification on Saulot's blood
> moving special" as only a clarification, not a ruling, is required.
Correct. He moves 2 blood (card text).
If he has only 1, he can empty himself (like when you steal 2
blood from a vampire with only 1 blood), but otherwise, he moves
2.
--
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Keep a little and let a little come back to me.
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Pat
<jeff...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Oops, I was quoting from FELDB card text, not from the card... guess it's
wrong in FELDB.
No argument from me, based on correct card text. :) Sorry about the
confusion.
- Pat
Joshua Duffin
"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message
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>d wrote:
>> Sorry, this should also be titled "Clarification on Saulot's blood
>> moving special" as only a clarification, not a ruling, is required.
>
> Correct. He moves 2 blood (card text).
>
> If he has only 1, he can empty himself (like when you steal 2
> blood from a vampire with only 1 blood), but otherwise, he moves
> 2.
Apparently I was misremembering a post from TheLasombra on Menele's (very
similar) ability as having been confirmed by you, which apparently it never
was:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/b3ac8b9ae2b801b3.
But I would have interpreted Saulot the same way Jeff did Menele - that
"move 2" means "move exactly 2", not "attempt to move 2 but move as much as
you can if 2 isn't there" - especially given the plethora of cards that use
"move up to 2" wordings. I always thought the "steal blood/burn life
targets the minion, not the blood" ruling was specific to those particular
effects (stealing blood and burning life), and wouldn't apply to effects of
a minion on itself:
"Q: Can I play Cryptic Mission against a vampire with no blood? How about
Blood to Water against a vampire with only 2 blood?
A: Yes. Steal/burn blood/life effects target the minion, not the individual
blood counters. Similarly, burn pool effects target the Methuselah, not
the individual pool counters." [LSJ 10-Jul-2001]
It would actually have been pretty useful for me in a draft game this past
Saturday to be able to move Saulot's last blood off him, but I just couldn't
believe his wording would allow it... :-)
Josh
ought to know better than to use 11-caps in draft
LSJ
> "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message
> > blood from a vampire with only 1 blood), but otherwise, he moves
> > 2.
>
> Apparently I was misremembering a post from TheLasombra on Menele's (very
> similar) ability as having been confirmed by you, which apparently it never
> was:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/b3ac8b9ae2b801b3.
That reads, to me, the same as what I said above -- you cannot choose
to move just one, but when you choose 2 (the only choice) and have only
one to move, then you move one. Much like stealing two blood.
Joshua Duffin
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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OK. It seems to vary from the usual rule that you can't attempt to do an
effect if you can't do the entire effect, but the blood-stealing rule does
provide an exception to that. I just wouldn't have placed Menele and Saulot
under that rule, since they're not "stealing" or "burning" blood, but
"moving" it, with a foreseeable inability to do the entire move-blood
effect.
Josh
had to break the window