Riposte and Pulled Fangs???
Cory Kanahele
ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but
I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that
is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should
prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions???
CK
L. Scott Johnson
Correct, Pulled Fangs is played during the press phase, and so cannot be
played if there is no press phase (after Riposte, for instance).
Amaranth, on the other hand, is a combat card to be played immediately
*after* combat ends and the opposing vampire is going to torpor. So,
if you Riposte an empty vampire, can you then Amaranth him? Tom?
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>kin...@infinity.ccsi.com (Cory Kanahele) wrote:
>>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat
>>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but
>>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that
>>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should
>>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions???
>>CK
>My opinion is yes. The same with Drawing out the beast.
Drawing out the Beast's effect (superior - one damage) occurs at the
end of a round, /regardless of how the round ends/. It does not have
to wait for the Press step, and would therefore deal its damage at
the end of any round - whether the round ends prematurely (Combat
Ends) or not (after the Press Step).
Pulled Fangs' effect (one agg) occurs after all strike resolutions
in a given round (comparing the total damage swapped between combatants).
Pulled Fangs can therefore only be played during combat, after strike
resolution. Riposte prevnts combat from reaching that stage, so Fangs
cannot be played.
Thomas R Wylie
Cory Kanahele <kin...@infinity.ccsi.com> wrote:
>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat
>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but
>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that
>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should
>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions???
Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the
round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via
aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though
you haven't reached the press step yet.
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Thomas R Wylie
L. Scott Johnson <sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu> wrote:
>Amaranth, on the other hand, is a combat card to be played immediately
>*after* combat ends and the opposing vampire is going to torpor. So,
>if you Riposte an empty vampire, can you then Amaranth him? Tom?
Yes.
L. Scott Johnson
>Cory Kanahele <kin...@infinity.ccsi.com> wrote:
>>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat
>>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but
>>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that
>>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should
>>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions???
>Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the
>round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via
>aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though
>you haven't reached the press step yet.
When did this reversal come about?
From: aa...@hal.COM (Tom Wylie)
Newsgroups: rec.games.deckmaster
Subject: NEW: Rulings summary for Jyhad
Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:11:24 -0800
Message-ID: <39rdts$s...@perv.hal.COM>
Pulled Fangs:
Used during the press step, and counts up damage successfully inflicted
during the round.
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And you have, more recently, used this fact to say that Fangs are never
pulled during strike resolution (as they would have to be in the incorrect
answer above):
From: aa...@cats.ucsc.edu (Thomas R Wylie)
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
Subject: Rules Team Rulings: 11/10/95
Date: 12 Nov 1995 00:34:44 GMT
Message-ID: <483ff4$9...@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>
1) Damage prevention cards may only be played during a Check Damage step
of combat (sometimes referred to as "strike resolution"). However,
permanents that prevent damage and lasting effects (such as Flesh of
Marble) can be applied outside of this step. While you can't play Skin of
Rock to prevent the damage from Pulled Fangs, the damage could be prevented
if you had superior Flesh of Marble in effect, or an unused Flak Jacket.
L. Scott Johnson
>Cory Kanahele <kin...@infinity.ccsi.com> wrote:
>>Ok, here is a lethal combo but is it legal. Since Riposte states combat
>>ends is there a chance to play pulled fangs. Correct me if I am wrong but
>>I do believe the latest ruling that I heard about pulled fangs was that
>>is was to be played during the press phase. If so, combat ends should
>>prevent a press phase altogether, right? Opions???
>Pulled Fangs is played when the round ends, regardless of when the
>round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via
>aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though
>you haven't reached the press step yet.
Can you use Pulled Fangs after Majesty (if you perform Majesty
as an additional strike after your initial strike inflicts more
damage than your opponent's)?
Can you use Pulled Fangs after tapping both the Spawing Pool and
then the Elysium (on the second round of combat, of course)?
REF
>Can you use Pulled Fangs after Majesty (if you perform Majesty
>as an additional strike after your initial strike inflicts more
>damage than your opponent's)?
>Can you use Pulled Fangs after tapping both the Spawing Pool and
>then the Elysium (on the second round of combat, of course)?
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Doesn't Spawning Pool have to be used during strike resolution?
Rory
Thomas R Wylie
>>round ends. For example, if you send a vampire to torpor via
>>aggravated damage, you can yank its Fangs on its way out, even though
>>you haven't reached the press step yet.
This was simply was a mistake on my part (I had Taste of Vitae on the brain).