Ex Nihilos questions
Walter Denny
Can I still do damage to the vamp?
Can I use rupturs hand, and will the agg damage go away?
Does that mean that I can apply the damage from talbots Chainsaw to this
vamp and nothing will happen?
It also makes all damage done by the vamp to 0. However does this also
apply to retainers. Does my Wolf campanion do damage even though I don't.
Gomi no Sensei
Non-aggravated damage. It may prove salutary to peruse one of the many
posts of the complete card text of the card in question.
>Can I still do damage to the vamp?
The rules currently preclude you from arbitrarily inflicting damage to a
minion you control absent some germane card effect.
Card effects that damage the vampire may be used, yes. If the damage is not
aggravated, however, it will be ignored.
>Can I use rupturs hand, and will the agg damage go away?
Yes, you can. The aggravated damage will affect the Nihilistic vampire
as usual, since Ex Nihilo doesn't have anything to say about aggravated
damage.
While the official card name is 'Rutor's Hand,' there is something rather
charming about 'Rupture's Hand,' if that is what you intended to write.
>Does that mean that I can apply the damage from talbots Chainsaw to this
>vamp and nothing will happen?
That is precisely correct, if you mean the damage will be ignored. Other,
non-nothing things will continue to happen, however.
>It also makes all damage done by the vamp to 0. However does this also
>apply to retainers. Does my Wolf campanion do damage even though I don't.
From the White Wolf rulings site, available at
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html:
Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a
strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the
minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no
particular source.
[RTR 19970630]
Wolf Companions, Zombies, Murders of Crows, Ghoul Retainers, Weather Control,
and Carrion Crows all inflict damage as normal. Strikes from the
Nihilistic vampire (including superior Stutter-Step and Catatonic Fear, as
well as Riposte, since these cards use the word 'inflict') do no damage.
Useful strikes under such conditions include Flesh and Bonecraft (no damage,
but side-effects apply), Weakness (note that the vampire takes 1 damage at
superior, since the passive 'takes one damage' is used, indicating an
environmental effect), Entombment, Coma, steal/destroy equipment (note
that superior Fractured Armament still inflicts damage), and steal blood.
I trust you will find this information useful.
gomi
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LSJ
Correct on all counts.
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Halcyan 2
>
>Non-aggravated damage. It may prove salutary to peruse one of the many
>posts of the complete card text of the card in question.
How about Ex Nihilo combined with a Heart of Darkness then? =)
Halcyan 2
salem christ
> Gomi no Sensei wrote:
> > From the White Wolf rulings site, available at
> > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html:
> >
> > Damage is only considered to have come from a minion if the damage is from a
> > strike or if an effect specifically states that the damage is dealt by the
> > minion. Damage from other effects is considered "environmental," and has no
> > particular source.
> >
> > [RTR 19970630]
> > Useful strikes under such conditions <snip>[:]
> > Weakness (note that the vampire takes 1 damage at
> > superior, since the passive 'takes one damage' is used, indicating an
> > environmental effect),
it does? but, it's damage. it's from a strike. it falls into the first
half of the "comes from a minion" ruling, being "if the damage is from
a strike" and thus we don't need to go to the next part after the "or"
to check to see if it specifically comes from the minion.
> > that superior Fractured Armament still inflicts damage), and steal blood.
sup fractured armament would be the same as my argument above, i
beleive. and, it is effected by Increased Strength, so it's looking
awfully like it is damage from the minion....
> > I trust you will find this information useful.
>
> Correct on all counts.
you lie! or, maybe not....but i wouldn't mind debating it.... how
exactly is the opposing minion taking damage from a strike that "this"
minion played, yet "this" minion is not considered to have delivered
the damage?
thanks...my head hurts....and while we're at it does sup Oubilette do
it's burn blood/life thing if the combat that just ended was at long
range? it's not damage like Cat fear or riposte so i wasn't sure....
salem.
LSJ
Oops. Correct Salem. I was only reading Gomi's explanations, not his
examples. Strike-dealt damage does indeed come from the minion.
Thanks for setting me straight.
> thanks...my head hurts....and while we're at it does sup Oubilette do
> it's burn blood/life thing if the combat that just ended was at long
> range? it's not damage like Cat fear or riposte so i wasn't sure....
Yes.