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[LSJ] Brinksmanship & Withdrawal

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Damnans

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Jun 16, 2004, 2:40:56 PM6/16/04
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Name: Brinksmanship
[Anarchs:R]
Cardtype: Political Action
Cost: 1 pool
Political Card - Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth.
If this referendum is successful, put this card in play. Any Methuselah
who has exhausted his or her library and begins his or her untap phase
with less than a full hand must attempt to withdraw. On that Methuselah's
next untap phase, if the withdrawal fails, that Methuselah is ousted.
If any Methuselah successfully withdraws, you are ousted.

Methuselah A has put a Brinksmanship in play.

Methuselah B (A's prey) has exhausted his library and begins his
untap phase with less than a full hand.

Can Methuselah B take actions that would not allow him to
withdraw (such as entering combat to torporize a vampire, who has a
Fame on, controlled by his prey, with just 3 pool left)?

Greetings,
Damnans


LSJ

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Jun 16, 2004, 3:11:38 PM6/16/04
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"Damnans" <bel...@ono.com> wrote in message news:2jbihnF...@uni-berlin.de...

> Methuselah A has put a Brinksmanship in play.

> Methuselah B (A's prey) has exhausted his library and begins his
> untap phase with less than a full hand.

> Can Methuselah B take actions that would not allow him to
> withdraw (such as entering combat to torporize a vampire, who has a
> Fame on, controlled by his prey, with just 3 pool left)?


Yes, he can take actions that would cause his withdrawal attempt
to fail. He can also pay pool for master cards or other things.
The attempt is mandatory. He isn't obliged to do everything in
his power to make the attempt succeed.

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Eric Simon

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Jun 16, 2004, 6:20:35 PM6/16/04
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"Damnans" <bel...@ono.com> wrote in message news:<2jbihnF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> Methuselah A has put a Brinksmanship in play.
>
> Methuselah B (A's prey) has exhausted his library and begins his
> untap phase with less than a full hand.
>
> Can Methuselah B take actions that would not allow him to
> withdraw (such as entering combat to torporize a vampire, who has a
> Fame on, controlled by his prey, with just 3 pool left)?
>
> Greetings,
> Damnans

Sure. One might even argue that in some situations Meth B is required
to do so, by Game Win/Max VP rules. Technically, the statement "must
attempt to withdraw" in Brinksmanship's wording could also be phrased,
"must declare an attempt to withdraw" to be clearer. In other words,
Brinksmanship requires that you begin the process as outlined in
section 9.2 of the rules, but it does not require you to make every
effort to see the withdrawal succeed. (That would be largely
unenforceable.)

Eric Simon
Prince of Chicago

LSJ

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Jun 17, 2004, 7:54:27 AM6/17/04
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"Eric Simon" <vol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6f81fa2c.04061...@posting.google.com...

> Brinksmanship requires that you begin the process as outlined in
> section 9.2 of the rules, but it does not require you to make every
> effort to see the withdrawal succeed. (That would be largely
> unenforceable.)

Similarly, if you have an empty Ravnos (crazy, eh?), and an untapped
Rom Gypsy, the Ravnos must attempt to hunt. You are not obliged to
tap the Gypsy for stealth to avoid a block.

Or if you have Spirit Marionette'd a vampire who has a Marked Path
against your prey - that vampire must attempt to bleed, but he is
not obliged to burn the Marked Path.

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