Law & Order (Ventrue Vote Deck) Thoughts
RoddPrime
ways to tweak it so it runs at optimal condition. Any thoughts on
some ways to enhance the power of this deck? Perhaps some cards out of
the HttB that I haven't thought of?
Thanks for your thoughts!
Deck Name : Law & Order
Author : Rodd
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 10 average: 7.16667
------------------------------------------------------------
4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 AUS DOM FOR PRE ani pot justicar Ventrue:
5
2x Graham Gottesman 7 DOM FOR obf pre tha prince Ventrue:
5
2x Victor Donaldson 6 DOM for pre prince Ventrue:
5
1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 DOM FOR PRE aus pro prince Ventrue:
5
1x Emily Carson 5 DOM for pre primogen Ventrue:
5
1x Victor Pelletier 5 PRE cel dom for Ventrue:
4
1x Mustafa Rahman 2 dom Tremere:
2
Library [88 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [8]
8x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier [25]
2x Bonding
1x Change of Target
5x Conditioning
1x Daring the Dawn
1x Enkil Cog
6x Freak Drive
2x Kiss of Ra, The
2x Perfect Paragon
4x Seduction
1x Voter Captivation
Combat [13]
11x Majesty
2x Skin of Steel
Equipment [1]
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Master [15]
1x Anarch Troublemaker
1x Archon Investigation
2x Blood Doll
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Fragment of the Book of Nod
1x Giant's Blood
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Papillon
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Perfectionist
2x Wash
Political Action [14]
9x Kine Resources Contested
5x Parity Shift
Reaction [12]
6x Deflection
3x On the Qui Vive
3x Second Tradition: Domain
Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Tue Mar 09 13:12:43 2010]
Legendre
the crypt legal.
The Lasombra
> The first thing I'd do is replace Mustafa with Jackson Asher and make
> the crypt legal.
You wouldn't replace the typo with the prince?
Mustafa, The Heir
Ventrue
Capacity: 6
Group: 4
Camarilla Prince of Istanbul: Once each political action, any older
Toreador controlled by another Methuselah can move 1 blood to Mustafa
to force him to cast his votes as that Toreador's controller chooses.
Artist(s): David Day
Set(s): Gehenna:U
It seems clear that this is the vampire intended to be in the deck.
brandonsantacruz
> The first thing I'd do is replace Mustafa with Jackson Asher and make
> the crypt legal.
I might refrain from spamming the list with three decks at the same
time, that's where I'd start.
Brandon
RoddPrime
Yes, you're correct! I used Anarch Deck Revolt Builder to make my
deck list and must have clicked on the incorrect Mustafa. Thanks for
noticing that. I'll be sure to fix it. Good catch.
RoddPrime
wrote:
My intention was not to spam the list, but I have a tournament coming
up soon and wanted suggestions for my three deck ideas to pick the
best option.
librarian
Come on, not a big deal. Calling it "spam" is a little harsh...
best -
chris
brandonsantacruz
>
> best -
I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just a lot to critique 3 decks at
the same time(and to push all other topics down three rungs). Good
luck at the tournament, Rodd!
Brandon
Klaital
Well I would replace Emily with Mukhtar Bey, then take out the extra
copies of Gottesman and Donaldson and put in a second Lodin and a
Johannes Castellein there instead. Your using freak drives so I would
diversify the actions, like 4x govern, 2x scouting mission, 2x enchant
kindred instead to get more mileage out of the freak drives. Couple
entrancements probably would be good also. Then I would dump the kiss
of ras, half of the conditionings, and enkil cog, probably
seductions too, add in several more voter caps and change of targets.
Would probably also drop couple majesties.You really should have
creepshow casino in there, ventrue HQ and hunting ground wont hurt
either. Then I would diversify and increase the amount of political
actions. Add in like 1 of each anarchist uprising and ancilla
empowerment, couple neonate breaches, couple conservative agitations,
and a banishment or two, maybe disputed territory also.
Kevin M.
> librarian:
>> Come on, not a big deal. Calling it "spam" is a little harsh...
>
My newsreader doesn't "push topics down". Perhaps you are referring
to using Google to read this newsgroup? In which case, may I suggest
a proper newsreader to stop your troubles, as using a web-based tool
not designed for the threaded nature of a newsgroup (especially one
which is busy) often causes this issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Usenet_newsreaders
Perhaps you could ask others to give their reccomendations.
I still use Outlook Express, which works fine for me. YMMV.
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Peter D Bakija
> time, that's where I'd start.
Wait, what? If this newsgroup isn't for posting decks for discussion,
then I don't know what it is possibly for.
-Peter
brandonsantacruz
Thanks for the straw man, Peter, but I'm not sure that's what the list
is for, either.
Brandon
Peter D Bakija
wrote:
> Thanks for the straw man, Peter, but I'm not sure that's what the list
> is for, either.
Wait, what? Again?
Rodd was posting decks to a newsgroup whose stated purpose is, among
other things, as a place for people to post decks so they can talk
about them. For which you were giving him a hard time. Which I was
confused by. So I pointed this out. What in that was a straw man?
-Peter
suoli
'Spamming' doesn't necessarily mean 'posting unrelated content'.
Peter D Bakija
> 'Spamming' doesn't necessarily mean 'posting unrelated content'.
Yeah. I know.
He was complaining that Rodd posted 3 decks in a short period of time.
Which is a silly thing to complain about as that is what the newsgroup
is for. Posting decks. It's like complaining about a sandwich shop
having a lot of sandwiches...
-Peter
Kushiel
> Master [15]
> 1x Anarch Troublemaker
> 1x Archon Investigation
> 2x Blood Doll
> 1x Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1x Fragment of the Book of Nod
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 1x Golconda: Inner Peace
> 1x Monastery of Shadows
> 1x Papillon
> 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
> 2x Perfectionist
> 2x Wash
It strikes me as very odd not to see Creepshow Casino here. I'd
certainly run it over Archon Investigation, since it's more likely to
be useful. Metagame difference?
Fragment also looks out of place here, since anyone can just walk up
to you and take it from you, unlike Barrens.
John Eno
brandonsantacruz
Or it's nothing like complaining about a sandwich shop having a lot of
sandwiches. I'm fine with ending the conversation here instead of
having some semantic argument over the next couple pages. I'm glad
Suoli saw where I was going with that.
Brandon
Peter D Bakija
wrote:
> Or it's nothing like complaining about a sandwich shop having a lot of
> sandwiches. I'm fine with ending the conversation here instead of
> having some semantic argument over the next couple pages. I'm glad
> Suoli saw where I was going with that.
In the name of also avoiding a stupid semantic argument, and making
Kevin happy, I'll be non-non-specific.
It was silly to hassle Rodd for posting three decks at a time. As that
is what the newsgroup exists for. Doing things like posting decks.
Even three at a time.
-Peter
brandonsantacruz
that
> is what the newsgroup exists for. Doing things like posting decks.
> Even three at a time.
>
> -Peter
You're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. It was a minor point
and apparently we disagree on it. No big deal.
Brandon
ira...@gmail.com
wrote:
Just to throw my $0.02 in the well, I agree with Peter that it's great
to post decks. I remember when Norm would post 3+ decks a day for a
week. That man is a deck building machine. If I don't want to read
about a deck or give critique, I'll just skip the thread. On the
other hand, decks give a concrete point of discussion that's valuable.
Brandon, just to be clear, I think you're awesome and I generally
agree with most of what you say. But part of the newsgroup community
is that we build it together, and find our way down a path of
agreeable etiquette together.
Ira
brandonsantacruz
http://extrala.blogspot.com/2009/09/deck-archetypes-ventrue-lawfirm.html
I see that you've put some good tools in this deck, but they don't
seem to focus enough, especially in the Master department.
Brandon
Frederick Scott
news:dae707db-f71b-42db...@k6g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 9, 1:54 pm, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 4:44 pm, suoli <suoliruse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 'Spamming' doesn't necessarily mean 'posting unrelated content'.
> >
> > Yeah. I know.
> >
> > He was complaining that Rodd posted 3 decks in a short period of time.
> > Which is a silly thing to complain about as that is what the newsgroup
> > is for. Posting decks. It's like complaining about a sandwich shop
> > having a lot of sandwiches...
>
> sandwiches. I'm fine with ending the conversation here instead of
> having some semantic argument over the next couple pages. I'm glad
> Suoli saw where I was going with that.
Whatever the case, it's not a valid netiquette complaint at all. Posting
VtES decks in a VtES group is topical. Three is hardly an excessive number.
In fact, I don't know that I've ever heard anyone ever complain that,
"You're making too many topical posts to this newsgroup." There's basically
no such thing as "spamming a newsgroup" with topical posts.
Fred
Gerentt
On Mar 9, 10:16 am, RoddPrime <roddpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've won a few tourneys with this deck, but I'm always looking for
> ways to tweak it so it runs at optimal condition. Any thoughts on
> some ways to enhance the power of this deck? Perhaps some cards out of
> the HttB that I haven't thought of?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>
> Deck Name : Law & Order
> Author : Rodd
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 10 average: 7.16667
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 4x Mary Anne Blaire 10 AUS DOM FOR PRE ani pot justicar Ventrue:
> 5
> 2x Graham Gottesman 7 DOM FOR obf pre tha prince Ventrue:
> 5
> 2x Victor Donaldson 6 DOM for pre prince Ventrue:
> 5
> 1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 DOM FOR PRE aus pro prince Ventrue:
> 5
> 1x Emily Carson 5 DOM for pre primogen Ventrue:
> 5
> 1x Victor Pelletier 5 PRE cel dom for Ventrue:
> 4
> 1x Mustafa Rahman 2 dom Tremere:
> 2
agreed, Muktar Bey is less dangerous to your strategy than Mustafa the
Heir.
>
> Library [88 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Action [8]
> 8x Govern the Unaligned
>
Good number of Governs. Re: the comment about Enchant Kindred, Mary
Anne Blaire can do it already as an action; I'd prefer to have more
Governs instead of diversifying (at max 2 Enchant Kindred) but its a
personal preference.
> Action Modifier [25]
> 2x Bonding
> 1x Change of Target
> 5x Conditioning
> 1x Daring the Dawn
> 1x Enkil Cog
> 6x Freak Drive
> 2x Kiss of Ra, The
> 2x Perfect Paragon
> 4x Seduction
> 1x Voter Captivation
More Voter Caps, Freak Dives. They are necessary for pool and action
advantage. Likewise more Perfect Paragon/Awe. Keep 1 Kiss of Ra to
dissuade No secrets. Change of Target, Daring the Dawn are iffy. Drop
some Conditionings.
>
> Combat [13]
> 11x Majesty
> 2x Skin of Steel
>
> Equipment [1]
> 1x Heart of Nizchetus
You're probably not going to successfully equip it unless with
Alastor.
>
> Master [15]
> 1x Anarch Troublemaker
> 1x Archon Investigation
> 2x Blood Doll
> 1x Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1x Fragment of the Book of Nod
> 1x Giant's Blood
> 1x Golconda: Inner Peace
> 1x Monastery of Shadows
> 1x Papillon
> 1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
> 2x Perfectionist
> 2x Wash
Drop Fragment; you're not a wall deck. Ventrue HQ and Creepshow Casino
are essential. More Vessels/Minion Tap.
>
> Political Action [14]
> 9x Kine Resources Contested
> 5x Parity Shift
Anarchist Uprising, Banishment, Disputed Territory, Ancient Influence,
Political Stranglehold are good cards to have. Shift some KRCs to Con.
Ag. to avoid Delaying Tactics.
librarian
I'm reading Wikipedia:
"Usenet convention defines spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is,
the repeated posting of a message (or substantially similar messages)."
This link here goes into detail on NG spam, and several different
definitions are trotted out. None of which more closely dovetails with
Rodd's behavior than the above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam
It all depends on your level of tolerance for similar posts/deck posts.
From comments down thread, it seems like Brandon may feel like this much
request for feedback at once is too much. For me, three requests for
feedback isn't "excessive", since I don't ever plan to actually read every
deck and comment on them. As always on Usenet, YMMV.
best -
chris
James Coupe
>I'm not trying to be a dick, it's just a lot to critique 3 decks at
>the same time
Don't, then. Skip the thread and move on to another. Other people can
comment on them just fine, or not.
>(and to push all other topics down three rungs).
If the Google Groups interface is making it hard for you to follow
threads you want and use your time wisely, I suggest using a proper
news-reader. There are a variety of free news servers and free news
clients, which will let you follow threads you want, ignore ones you
don't want, promote some, demote others, show them in different orders,
and whatever else you want.
Please don't criticize other people for posting on-topic material to the
newsgroup because it doesn't fit with your choice of Usenet client.
--
James Coupe
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brandonsantacruz
> newsgroup because it doesn't fit with your choice of Usenet client.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/RaulMonkey/Animated/beating-a-dead-horse.gif
Thank you sir may I have another?
Brandon
Falkor
new ventrue crypt is just amazing so appart from Mary anne, make use
of all of them. Finally, Emily Carson special is a must have, at least
for the deflection.
Personnaly, I play it in 80 as follows:
Deck Name: New Ventrue v3
Created by: Sebastien Varrette aka Falkor
Description: A try around Mary anne special and her friends. Victor
Pelletier is intended to become prince.
Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 7.41667]
1x Gustav Breidenstein DOM FOR PRE aus cel pot 10 Ventrue:4 prince
3x Mary Anne Blaire AUS DOM FOR PRE ani pot 10 Ventrue:5 justicar
1x Johannes Castelein DEM DOM FOR PRE 9 Ventrue:4 prince
1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) DOM FOR PRE aus pro 8 Ventrue:5 prince
1x Graham Gottesman DOM FOR obf pre tha 7 Ventrue:5 prince
1x Mustafa, The Heir FOR PRE cel dom 6 Ventrue:4 prince
1x Victor Donaldson DOM for pre 6 Ventrue:5 prince
1x Emily Carson DOM for pre 5 Ventrue:5 primogen
1x Victor Pelletier PRE cel dom for 5 Ventrue:4
1x Keith Moody DOM 3 Tremere antitribu:4
Library [80 cards]
Master [16]
1x Coven, The
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
1x Hostile Takeover
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Papillon
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Perfectionist
2x Ventrue Headquarters
2x Vessel
2x Villein
Action [10]
2x Entrancement
8x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier [16]
1x Enkil Cog
2x Foreshadowing Destruction
6x Freak Drive
1x Kiss of Ra, The
4x Seduction
2x Voter Captivation
Ally [1]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
Combat [10]
10x Majesty
Equipment [1]
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Political Action [14]
1x Ancient Influence
2x Banishment
2x Domain Challenge
5x Kine Resources Contested
4x Parity Shift
Falkor
Deck Name: New Ventrue v3
Created by: Sebastien Varrette aka Falkor
Description:
Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 7.25]
3x Mary Anne Blaire AUS DOM FOR PRE ani pot 10 Ventrue:5 justicar
1x Johannes Castelein DEM DOM FOR PRE 9 Ventrue:4 prince
2x Lodin (Olaf Holte) DOM FOR PRE aus pro 8 Ventrue:5 prince
1x Graham Gottesman DOM FOR obf pre tha 7 Ventrue:5 prince
1x Mustafa, The Heir FOR PRE cel dom 6 Ventrue:4 prince
1x Victor Donaldson DOM for pre 6 Ventrue:5 prince
1x Emily Carson DOM for pre 5 Ventrue:5 primogen
1x Victor Pelletier PRE cel dom for 5 Ventrue:4
1x Keith Moody DOM 3 Tremere antitribu:4
Library [80 cards]
Master [15]
1x Coven, The
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Hostile Takeover
1x Papillon
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
2x Perfectionist
1x Ventrue Headquarters
2x Vessel
2x Villein
Action [10]
2x Entrancement
8x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier [25]
4x Conditioning
2x Daring the Dawn
1x Enkil Cog
2x Foreshadowing Destruction
6x Freak Drive
2x Perfect Paragon
4x Seduction
4x Voter Captivation
Political Action [14]
1x Ancient Influence
3x Banishment
2x Domain Challenge
3x Kine Resources Contested
5x Parity Shift
Reaction [6]
6x Deflection
Combat [10]
10x Majesty