LSJ- The Final Loosening

[XZealot]

Final Loosening
Type: Reaction
Requires: anarch Auspex/Dementation/Fortitude
Requires an anarch.
[aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The
acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead.
[dem] Gain 4 votes.
[for] Only usable when an ally is acting. The action fails and the
ally takes 1 damage. Tap this reacting anarch.

Rarity: TR:R

If I have two aus anarchs and another vampire hunts for 1, then when I
play two Final Loosenings, one for each anarch, doese the acting
vampire gain two blood, for two Final Loosenings, or only one?

Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp

[Malone]

IANLSJ, but... The two FL are played in succession, not concurrently,
so the hunter only gets one blood.

[LSJ]

Correct. And card text.

[Kevin M.]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:

> Malone wrote:
>> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Final Loosening
>>> Type: Reaction
>>> Requires: anarch Auspex/Dementation/Fortitude
>>> Requires an anarch.
>>> [aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The
>>> acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead.
>>> [dem] Gain 4 votes.
>>> [for] Only usable when an ally is acting. The action fails and the
>>> ally takes 1 damage. Tap this reacting anarch.
>>>

>>> If I have two aus anarchs and another vampire hunts for 1, then
>>> when I play two Final Loosenings, one for each anarch, doese the
>>> acting vampire gain two blood, for two Final Loosenings, or only
>>> one?
>>

>> IANLSJ, but... The two FL are played in succession, not
>> concurrently, so the hunter only gets one blood.
>
> Correct. And card text.

I apologize, LSJ, but could you specify for me what exactly in the card
text of FL implies this? I thought the same thing that Norm asked, s'why.

Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas
"Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles
you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War*
"Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

[OrgPlay]

On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote:

gain 1 blood instead.

Vampire A acts hunts.

my Vampire B plays Final Loosening. (Instead of his hunting blood)
Vampire A gets 1 blood and Vampire B gets 1 blood.

Vampire C plays Final Loosening. (Instead of the 1 blood he would have
gained from Final Loosening) Vampire A gets 1 blood and Vampire C gets
1 blood.

oscar

[LSJ]

Kevin M. wrote:
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> Malone wrote:
>>> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> Final Loosening

>>>> [aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The
>>>> acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead.
>>>>

>>>> If I have two aus anarchs and another vampire hunts for 1, then
>>>> when I play two Final Loosenings, one for each anarch, doese the
>>>> acting vampire gain two blood, for two Final Loosenings, or only
>>>> one?
>>> IANLSJ, but... The two FL are played in succession, not
>>> concurrently, so the hunter only gets one blood.
>> Correct. And card text.
>
> I apologize, LSJ, but could you specify for me what exactly in the card
> text of FL implies this? I thought the same thing that Norm asked, s'why.

Card text: "instead".

(1) VampA hunts.
(2) Action succeeds.
(3) VampA would gain 1 blood.
(4) AnarchB plays Final Loosening at [aus].
(5) So now VampA and AnarchB are each about to gain 1 blood "instead" of VampA
gaining 1 blood (3).
(6) Since VampA is about to gain 1 blood (5), AnarchC plays Final Loosening.
(7) Now VampA and AnarchC are each about to gain 1 blood "instead" of VampA
gaining 1 blood (5). And AnarchB is still about to gain 1 blood (5).

Restated:

(3) A gains 1

"A gains 1" is replaced by "A gains 1" and "B gains 1"

(5) A gains 1 ; B gains 1

Then THAT "A gains 1" is replaced by "A gains 1" and "C gains 1"

(7) A gains 1 ; C gains 1 ; B gains 1

Step (6) can't work on the blood gain in step (3), since that blood gain is no
longer occurring, since it was replaced by something else by step (5).