[LSJ] Spirit Marionette Question
Jyhad_addict
steal your minions, steal their bloods, bleed you for 6 unblockable
and burn them at the same time- deck.
I really enjoy this combo: spirit marionette to a minion controlled
by my prey or predator (with dom and for preferably) - tap heidelberg
move all his blood except 2 to one of my minions - bleed with govern
the unaligned, conditioning and daring the dawn at inferior to burn
him.
But this is not enough fun for me, consider the following:
i equip soulgem of etrius to one of my minions, i play spirit
marionette to one minion, tap heidelberg and while transfering all his
blood (except 2) to my minion with the soulgem, i transfer the soulgem
to the stolen minion. So, when he bleeds my prey unblockable (daring
the dawn) and burns, the soulgem is triggered. Am i correct ?
Spirit marionette states that i have control of the minion until
the END of the next action (that is the bleed) and daring the dawn
says that i apply the 2 aggra damage at the END of the action.
So if i am correct, according to the rules i can choose to apply
the 2 aggra damage and burn the minion triggering soulgem for me,
before i pass control of the minion. Because the aggra damage and the
loss of control of the minion happen at the same time, so i can choose
what happens first.
I'd like a 2nd oppinion on the interpretation of the rules on this.
If this combo can be done, i want you to consider me for the prize of
the one who's mind conceived the most "sick" combo. As i believe that
my mind is the first one to conceive such a "sick" combo.
Consider making 11 transfers to influence Arika and before even
having a chance to act, your predator's Matthias steals her, steals
her blood, transfers the soulgem to her, bleeds you for 8 while
burning her with daring the dawn and gets a free Owain Evans out of
his crypt.
That's 19 pool loss, a burned minion and 3 turns (to influence
arika) wasted for you and a free 8th cap minion, arika's stolen blood
and a definite oust in 2 more turns gain for your predator!!!
And please don't tell me that this combo is a long shot, because i
assure you that it can be done with no much trouble, even without the
use of the soulgem is devastating enough.
What do you think?
The Lasombra
wrote:
> What do you think?
I think it has been done for years.
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Southeast Regional Qualifier
Tournament Winning Deck
May 25, 2002
16 players
"Playing With Dolls" by Josh Duffin
crypt:
4 Blanche Hill (6 OBE FOR aus)
3 Matthias (7 OBE FOR AUS)
1 Ingrid Russo (4 DOM for)
1 Peter Blaine (4 dom for aus)
1 Billy (5 dom for AUS)
1 Vanessa (6 DOM FOR aus)
1 Marlene, the Infernalist (6 DOM for AUS)
library:
5 Fortitude
3 Heidelberg Castle, Germany
3 Fame
3 Blood Doll
9 Spirit Marionette
4 Govern the Unaligned
2 Precognizant Mobility
3 Conditioning
5 Freak Drive
7 Daring the Dawn
4 Repulsion
5 Wake with Evening's Freshness
4 Telepathic Misdirection
1 My Enemy's Enemy
5 Anesthetic Touch
3 Hidden Strength
4 Rolling with the Punches
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70 cards, 14 masters.
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Otto Koskinen
wrote:
>I am curently playing one of my favourites. A Salubri-!Ventrue -i
Yep. You've re-invented the wheel here. :D
It can be done, yes. And goes exactly like that.
The bigger problem is getting someone with dom for.
Halcyan 2
>steal your minions, steal their bloods, bleed you for 6 unblockable
>and burn them at the same time- deck.
And nowadays, there's always The Diamond Thunderbolt to foil all your plans...
Halcyan 2
LSJ
> i equip soulgem of etrius to one of my minions, i play spirit
> marionette to one minion, tap heidelberg and while transfering all his
> blood (except 2) to my minion with the soulgem, i transfer the soulgem
> to the stolen minion. So, when he bleeds my prey unblockable (daring
> the dawn) and burns, the soulgem is triggered. Am i correct ?
> Spirit marionette states that i have control of the minion until
> the END of the next action (that is the bleed) and daring the dawn
> says that i apply the 2 aggra damage at the END of the action.
> So if i am correct, according to the rules i can choose to apply
> the 2 aggra damage and burn the minion triggering soulgem for me,
> before i pass control of the minion. Because the aggra damage and the
> loss of control of the minion happen at the same time, so i can choose
> what happens first.
> I'd like a 2nd oppinion on the interpretation of the rules on this.
You can do so, but it is not a choice. You must do so. You cannot choose
to do otherwise (that is, you cannot choose to pass control back to the
controller prior to inflicting and resolving the aggravated damage from
Daring the Dawn).
--
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Halcyan 2
>> marionette to one minion, tap heidelberg and while transfering all his
>> blood (except 2) to my minion with the soulgem, i transfer the soulgem
>> to the stolen minion. So, when he bleeds my prey unblockable (daring
>> the dawn) and burns, the soulgem is triggered. Am i correct ?
>> Spirit marionette states that i have control of the minion until
>> the END of the next action (that is the bleed) and daring the dawn
>> says that i apply the 2 aggra damage at the END of the action.
>> So if i am correct, according to the rules i can choose to apply
>> the 2 aggra damage and burn the minion triggering soulgem for me,
>> before i pass control of the minion. Because the aggra damage and the
>> loss of control of the minion happen at the same time, so i can choose
>> what happens first.
>> I'd like a 2nd oppinion on the interpretation of the rules on this.
>
>You can do so, but it is not a choice. You must do so. You cannot choose
>to do otherwise (that is, you cannot choose to pass control back to the
>controller prior to inflicting and resolving the aggravated damage from
>Daring the Dawn).
Yeah. This was the center of a whole discussion concerning Fame and Spirit
Marionette a while back. (As LSJ has alluded, if you have a Spirit Marionett'ed
Famous vamp Daring the Dawn bleed, you take the damage. You don't have the
chance to pass control of the vampire back to someone else before taking the
Fame damage).
Halcyan 2
Jyhad_addict
> On 6 Jun 2004 13:28:48 -0700, geo...@for.auth.gr (Jyhad_addict)
> wrote:
>
> > What do you think?
>
> I think it has been done for years.
>
>
I meant the transfer of Soulgem before you burn the minion. so as to
trigger it for you. I am talking about this "sick" idea. I believe it
is original.
Jyhad_addict
> On 6 Jun 2004 13:28:48 -0700, geo...@for.auth.gr (Jyhad_addict)
> wrote:
>
>
> Yep. You've re-invented the wheel here. :D
>
> It can be done, yes. And goes exactly like that.
> The bigger problem is getting someone with dom for.
even bigger is that i use 3 Matthias, 3 Blance Hill, 3 Owain Evans and
3 Blackhorse Tanner, a lot of the same minions. I just figured this
combo (with
the soulgem) to have some fun looking and desperate faces.
about dom for, i can put a Master Dominate to a minion of my prey
who has for. I have 4 Master Dominate in the deck.
Maybe i post the deck some other day, currently it has 100 library
cards.
i am experimenting with it, before i make it a 90cards one.
Jyhad_addict
Yeah, i know. This is why Gehenna is a great set.
There is also that damned Mistrust, but hopefuly none plays it. :)
Reyda
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sorry, we've seen it here too =)
but if it's original in your playgroup then cool for you !
they'll soon discover they should tap their minion all the time, or block
the 2 stealth action taken by the marionetter to invalidate the combo =)
Jyhad_addict
> they'll soon discover they should tap their minion all the time, or block
> the 2 stealth action taken by the marionetter to invalidate the combo =)
I use precognizant mobility (with my !ventrue or with my salubri and
then freak drive) to untap them and then steal them.
as a matter of fact, daring the dawn is proving very usefull in
stealing minions a lot of times, as well as burning the "puppets".
even better when i have a prey/predator without decent intercept
capability.
You can also count on the fact that most decks playing dom and for
(except the ravnos with dom) can't come up with 2 intercept to block
me.
Pat
So you never see Ventrue princes & justicars with 2nd traditions? :)
- Pat
David Wilson
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