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Imperator rules clarification - Hand size and discarding

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chromeboy

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Apr 22, 2009, 4:50:34 AM4/22/09
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From the Imperator Storyline pdf:

2. The Imperator deck's hand of cards is always face-up. Whenever
the Imperator deck's hand has fewer than 3 cards, it is replenished
from the Imperator deck's library. Cards burned from the
Imperator deck are placed in the Imperator deck's ash heap. If a
card from the Imperator deck is sent to any hand, ash heap, or
library, it always goes to the Imperator hand, ash heap, or library.

5. The Imperator hand size is always 3 and cannot be
changed (by Jan Pieterzoon or Aristotle de Laurent,
for example). Cards played from the Imperator hand
are always replaced, even under Blood Weakens or
when played by Nedal.
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What happens if a minion plays a political action card from the
imperator deck, and the resulting referendum
is canceled via delaying tactics? As per 2., the political action card
should go back to the imperators hand.
As per 5, "the Imperator" now needs to discard a card since he is
above his hand size, assuming the political
card gets replaced in the same fashion as for a "normal player".

The question now is, who decides which card the Imperator discards? Is
it the methuselah playing the
political action, since he is the first in sequence, or is it the
methuselah playing the delaying tactics, since
it is an effect of his card, or something else?

Delaying Tactics:
Only usable during a referendum. The referendum is canceled. Untap the
acting vampire. The controller of the acting vampire takes the
political action card (if any) back into his or her hand (and discards
down to his or her hand size), and his or her vampires cannot attempt
the same political action this turn.

Oortje

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Apr 22, 2009, 5:04:54 AM4/22/09
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most likely the acting methuselah.

LSJ

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Apr 22, 2009, 8:05:49 AM4/22/09
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Oortje wrote:
> most likely the acting methuselah.

a reply without context is like a preposition without

Chris Berger

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Apr 22, 2009, 8:50:39 AM4/22/09
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On Apr 22, 3:50 am, chromeboy <houseofbull...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The question now is, who decides which card the Imperator discards? Is
> it the methuselah playing the
> political action, since he is the first in sequence, or is it the
> methuselah playing the delaying tactics, since
> it is an effect of his card, or something else?
>

If I were making the rules, my answer would be that cards that go back
to the Imperator hand do not require a discard, and it would just stay
at 4 cards until a card is played, though cards are only replaced when
the Imperator hand has less than 3 cards in it. However, even though
that's how *I* would do it, I don't think that's the correct answer.

I suspect that the methuselah whose hand the card would have otherwise
gone to is the one that decides what to discard. I.e. with DT, it's
the acting methuselah...

vtes...@white-wolf.com

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Apr 23, 2009, 4:31:29 PM4/23/09
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On Apr 22, 4:50 am, chromeboy <houseofbull...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What happens if a minion plays a political action card from the
> imperator deck, and the resulting referendum
> is canceled via delaying tactics?

The canceled political action card is returned to the imperator hand.
The acting methuselah chooses which of the imperator cards is
discarded.

-Ben Swainbank
V:tes Storyline Coordinator
http://www.vtesstorylines.com/

Oortje

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May 4, 2009, 5:05:00 AM5/4/09
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> Oortje wrote:
> most likely the acting methuselah.

>LSJ


>a reply without context is like a preposition without

My shortness in typing is compensated by the my excess of talking.
Lucky for you I dont own a microphone :-)

Oortje

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