LSJ - Heidelberg Castle + Shango Remains
nac.s...@gmail.com
Can I activate Reliquary, then transfer it, then use it again?
I'm not sure, I suppose I can because Reliquary restricts it user
about burning blood just once, but I prefer to ask first and deckbuild
later.
Baaliprimogen
well, it does not req the card to tap. So I would say that you may.
bwross
Given that it's now a different "this Assamite" I'd say yes. In fact,
it's not even unique... so why not try to bring out a few and give
Guillaume a run for his money.
Brent Ross
LSJ
No. It's only usable once per turn.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6179663eb2d209be
sg3kmb6...@gmail.com
That post talks about Camarilla Vitae Slave using the "during X, do Y"
template, which is not the case for Reliquary: Shango Remains.
Reliquary: Shango Remains [Promo-20080203]
Cardtype: Equipment
Clan: Assamite
Equipment.
Choose an Assamite in your ash heap or burn 1 pool to choose an
Assamite in your uncontrolled region. Remove that Assamite from the
game or burn this reliquary. Once per turn, if this Assamite is ready,
he or she may burn 1 blood to give you +2 hand size for the remainder
of the turn; this ability cannot be used during combat.
Camarilla Vitae Slave [Sabbat:R]
Cardtype: Retainer
Clan: Lasombra
Cost: 2 blood
Retainer with 1 life.
The vampire with this retainer increases his or her capacity by 1.
During each of his or her controller's master phases, he or she may
choose a basic level Discipline he or she possesses. He or she then
has the chosen Discipline at the superior level until his or her
controller's next master phase.
LSJ
> On Sep 9, 2:32 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
>> nac.snor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> Can I activate Reliquary, then transfer it, then use it again?
>>> I'm not sure, I suppose I can because Reliquary restricts it user
>>> about burning blood just once, but I prefer to ask first and deckbuild
>>> later.
>> No. It's only usable once per turn.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6179...
>
> That post talks about Camarilla Vitae Slave using the "during X, do Y"
> template, which is not the case for Reliquary: Shango Remains.
Yeah. I noticed that when I read the cards and did the rather lengthy search for
a precedent.
But, of course, since the whole point of the cited post's reference to the
during X template was to note that that template effected a "once per"
restriction, and the Reliquary offers an explicit "once per" restriction, well,
you can see how the result follows.
sg3kmb6...@gmail.com
> sg3kmb613sdf...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 9, 2:32 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote:
> >> nac.snor...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>> Can I activate Reliquary, then transfer it, then use it again?
> >>> I'm not sure, I suppose I can because Reliquary restricts it user
> >>> about burning blood just once, but I prefer to ask first and deckbuild
> >>> later.
> >> No. It's only usable once per turn.
>
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6179...
>
> > That post talks about Camarilla Vitae Slave using the "during X, do Y"
> > template, which is not the case for Reliquary: Shango Remains.
>
> Yeah. I noticed that when I read the cards and did the rather lengthy search for
> a precedent.
>
> But, of course, since the whole point of the cited post's reference to the
> during X template was to note that that template effected a "once per"
> restriction, and the Reliquary offers an explicit "once per" restriction, well,
> you can see how the result follows.
Yeah. Wasn't sure you'd seen it, and the Reliquary could be
interpreted as just preventing the same Assamite from using it more
than once each turn so I wanted to make it clear right away.
Blooded Sand
I think that brings up something different then. If the "this"
Assamite does not mean that the once per turn limitation is only for
the vampire currently holding the Reliquary, would it not also allow
that "this" Assamite (e.g.. Basir) could burn blood for the +2 hand
effect, even if the Reliquary was now in the possession of Thucimia?
LSJ
> I think that brings up something different then. If the "this"
> Assamite does not mean that the once per turn limitation is only for
> the vampire currently holding the Reliquary, would it not also allow
> that "this" Assamite (e.g.. Basir) could burn blood for the +2 hand
> effect, even if the Reliquary was now in the possession of Thucimia?
"This" Assamite means the Assamite in possession of it.
Meej
> I think that brings up something different then. If the "this"
> Assamite does not mean that the once per turn limitation is only for
> the vampire currently holding the Reliquary, would it not also allow
> that "this" Assamite (e.g.. Basir) could burn blood for the +2 hand
> effect, even if the Reliquary was now in the possession of Thucimia?
Restated for clarity:
Once per turn, if the bearer ("this Assamite") is ready, you can use
the effect of the Reliquary.
The effect of the Reliquary is: "he or she may burn 1 blood to give
you +2 hand size for the remainder
of the turn; this ability cannot be used during combat."
That's what LSJ's getting at, I believe.
- D.J.
Blooded Sand
I completely agree with you Meej. What you have said above is 100%
what the intended effect most likely is. However, that is not what the
card states. The card's use of "this Assamite" has other meanings,
amongst which is that if the Assamite changes clan to whatever, he/she
can longer use the ability. So the card cannot be used if the bearer
is not an Assamite, and/or if the previous bearer this turn who was an
Assamite did make use of the card's effect. Which is not what it says,
but what it's effect is.
LSJ
> So the card cannot be used if the bearer
> is not an Assamite, and/or if the previous bearer this turn who was an
> Assamite did make use of the card's effect. Which is not what it says,
> but what it's effect is.
That's what the card says. "Once per turn".
Once per turn, <some effect>.
Where <some effect> is conditional upon the bearer being Assamite and ready.
The card text "once per turn" means that if the effect was used already this
turn, then it cannot be used again this turn.
Blooded Sand
Okay, sorry if you have split ends now ;)