Spirit Marionette question
Ville Sarvijärvi
everything before he must take the bleed action.
If it is legal this can be pretty good combo. I have been thinking
many ways to exploit spirit marionette / mind rape. Like playing
fortitude to your preys vampires and sucking them out of blood with
heidelburg, bleed with daring the dawn... There are many
possibilities.
James Coupe
Sarvijärvi <zar...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Can u use the Heidelburg Castle to suck the stolen vampire out of
>everything before he must take the bleed action.
Yes. There is always a gap between actions where Heidelberg can be
used.
>If it is legal this can be pretty good combo. I have been thinking
>many ways to exploit spirit marionette / mind rape. Like playing
>fortitude to your preys vampires and sucking them out of blood with
>heidelburg, bleed with daring the dawn... There are many
>possibilities.
Similarly, opportunities exist with Rave. And if you're playing
Fortitude, you can modify that action with Daring the Dawn or somesuch.
Or play Rave (tapping the vampire), followed by inferior Force of Will
(two aggravated damage). Or superior Force of Will and Daring the Dawn.
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Roger Carhult
"Ville Sarvijärvi" <zar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I made use of both these things in my last tournament deck I posted
here under "[DECK] Matthias, Childe of King Saul". It was fun to play =)
Roger
hamdamcwa
> In message <3d0f0503.02011...@posting.google.com>, Ville
> Sarvijärvi <zar...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >Can u use the Heidelburg Castle to suck the stolen vampire out of
> >everything before he must take the bleed action.
>
> Yes. There is always a gap between actions where Heidelberg can be
> used.
Note that you cannot suck ALL the blood of the vampire. If you move
all the blood then the vampire should hunt. However, the only action
the vampire is empowered to do via Spirit Marionette is bleed. So, the
vampire will remain untapped and unable to act until the next after
action (whoever that is by) at which point the vampire returns to its
true owner.
This could be a way of screwing over your prey if they only have one
vampire out: Play the SM on your preys only vampire, do the Heidleburg
(and remove all the blood and equiptment and retainers), do NOTHING
ELSE that turn, and the vampire will only go back to your prey in your
grand preys' turn.
> >If it is legal this can be pretty good combo. I have been thinking
> >many ways to exploit spirit marionette / mind rape. Like playing
> >fortitude to your preys vampires and sucking them out of blood with
> >heidelburg, bleed with daring the dawn... There are many
> >possibilities.
This is a common strategy at the moment in the UK, pioneered by Matt
Green. You may notice in all the Crusade: Dave's House mails that Matt
Green usually gets alluded to using lots of Mind Rapes. He does. At
stealth.
;)
> Similarly, opportunities exist with Rave. And if you're playing
> Fortitude, you can modify that action with Daring the Dawn or somesuch.
> Or play Rave (tapping the vampire), followed by inferior Force of Will
> (two aggravated damage). Or superior Force of Will and Daring the Dawn.
There is a lot of scope with Rave, Soul Gem of Etrius, and all the new
boys with For / Nec. Think about it.
DH
James Coupe
<dave...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> Similarly, opportunities exist with Rave. And if you're playing
>> Fortitude, you can modify that action with Daring the Dawn or somesuch.
>> Or play Rave (tapping the vampire), followed by inferior Force of Will
>> (two aggravated damage). Or superior Force of Will and Daring the Dawn.
>
>There is a lot of scope with Rave, Soul Gem of Etrius, and all the new
>boys with For / Nec. Think about it.
No. Please, just no.
hamdamcwa
> >boys with For / Nec. Think about it.
>
> No. Please, just no.
Oh yes. Hello little boy, want to see my decklist?
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DH
X_Zealot
> Fortitude, you can modify that action with Daring the Dawn or somesuch.
> Or play Rave (tapping the vampire), followed by inferior Force of Will
> (two aggravated damage). Or superior Force of Will and Daring the Dawn.
It was my understanding that mandatory actions must be taken first. So if
you are required to bleed, where do you get the opportunity to play Rave?
XZ
Roger Carhult
> This could be a way of screwing over your prey if they only have one
> vampire out: Play the SM on your preys only vampire, do the Heidleburg
> (and remove all the blood and equiptment and retainers), do NOTHING
> ELSE that turn, and the vampire will only go back to your prey in your
> grand preys' turn.
+1 stealth action. (D) Take control of any ready untapped minion until the
end of the next action. That minion must bleed your prey unless he or she
must hunt.
I interpret this as that if the minion has to hunt hunt he will be allowed
to do so and not just remained untapped and "locked". LSJ?
Roger
LSJ
Correct.
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James Coupe
Whilst the Subject: refers to Spirit Marionette, the paragraph I
responded to noted:
>I have been thinking
>many ways to exploit spirit marionette / mind rape.
Mind Rape has no such mandatory action clause.
In the case of Spirit Marionette, of course, the timing means that only
Heidelberg could be used since Rave would be unplayable due to that
clause.
Fin, Paradox Walker of Prague
> Yes, I made use of both these things in my last tournament deck I posted
> here under "[DECK] Matthias, Childe of King Saul". It was fun to play =)
>
> Roger
and it is pretty good :-) inspired by that my friends further
developed your strategy this way - play a lot of discipline: fortitude
cards, put it on vampires you are going to take, than use marionette,
heidelburg before mandatory bleed and use daring AT MINOR - that way
you make unblockable bleed and than give empty vampire in torpor back
to his owner :-)
Roger Carhult
> developed your strategy this way - play a lot of discipline: fortitude
> cards, put it on vampires you are going to take, than use marionette,
> heidelburg before mandatory bleed and use daring AT MINOR - that way
> you make unblockable bleed and than give empty vampire in torpor back
> to his owner :-)
Sounds like an idea I will have to try myself when I get the chance :)
Came to think of something that occured at the tournament, if I empy a
vampire with Marionette and it hunts, does it gain a blood before burning
blood from Daring the Dawn, or do I choose the order?
Roger
hamdamcwa
>
> Came to think of something that occured at the tournament, if I empy a
> vampire with Marionette and it hunts, does it gain a blood before burning
> blood from Daring the Dawn, or do I choose the order?
If you empty a vampire, it cannot do anything. The only action the SM
allows you to do is a bleed. You cannot hunt with the vampire, and
since it causes a conflict of mandatory actions, it just sits there
untapped, until another vampire acts and it goes back to its owner.
Could be useful for a vote & bloat deck, though, since the stolen
vampire could have a title, and the next action could be a vote.
DH
LSJ
> If you empty a vampire, it cannot do anything. The only action the SM
> allows you to do is a bleed. You cannot hunt with the vampire, and
SM allows a hunt if it is mandatory. (card text).
hamdamcwa
> hamdamcwa wrote:
> > If you empty a vampire, it cannot do anything. The only action the SM
> > allows you to do is a bleed. You cannot hunt with the vampire, and
>
> SM allows a hunt if it is mandatory. (card text).
OK. I am Mr. Thickie and today is "National Let's Be Thick" day. I
recently moved to Thicktown on Sea too.
*grumble*
Bloomin' card text.
DH