[LSJ] Re: Patshiv
Brian Skelly
>>
> Each untapped ravnos gets 1 blood.
>>
>> Does this include Ravnos controlled by other meth's?
>>
>> Seem like it to me.
>
>Yes. (card text)
>
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LSJ,
Does this include the vampire playing the card, i am having a
discussion with our Local Prince over when the vampire taps, at the
end of the action (so he gains from Patshiv) or at the start of the
action (so he cannot gain from the action).
Thankyou LSJ,
-- Brian Skelly
Local Player, Adelaide V:EKN
http://adelaide.vekn.org
LSJ
> Does this include the vampire playing the card, i am having a
> discussion with our Local Prince over when the vampire taps, at the
> end of the action (so he gains from Patshiv) or at the start of the
> action (so he cannot gain from the action).
He taps at the start of the action [6.1.6]
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Halcyan 2
>> discussion with our Local Prince over when the vampire taps, at the
>> end of the action (so he gains from Patshiv) or at the start of the
>> action (so he cannot gain from the action).
>
>He taps at the start of the action [6.1.6]
Note however that if he manages to untap before the resolution of the action,
he'll gain the blood. (i.e. gets blocked, untaps with Majesty/Earth Meld,
Psyche! + Mirror Image to continue the action. Alternatively, untapping due to
Rutor's Hand works as well).
- Halcyan 2
henrik ericsson
Is Psyche!+Mirror Image a valid combo? I thought that the new combat
(from the Psyche!) didn't count as resulting from the acting minion
being blocked and thus there is no action to continue and that you'd
have to play Telepathic Tracking in order to get that combo working.
Is it correct that you can play Mirror Image(or FoM or the other
similar cards) to continue an action during a combat resulting from a
Psyche!?
(Etrius + Protean Discipline + gets blocked: Earth Meld, Telepathic
Tracking, Blood To Water, Form of Mist.)
/Henrik
LSJ
> Is Psyche!+Mirror Image a valid combo? I thought that the new combat
> (from the Psyche!) didn't count as resulting from the acting minion
> being blocked and thus there is no action to continue and that you'd
> have to play Telepathic Tracking in order to get that combo working.
> Is it correct that you can play Mirror Image(or FoM or the other
> similar cards) to continue an action during a combat resulting from a
> Psyche!?
Yes, if you're the acting minion.
Mirror Image has no "in the resulting combat" restriction.
The action is still there to be continued.
> (Etrius + Protean Discipline + gets blocked: Earth Meld, Telepathic
> Tracking, Blood To Water, Form of Mist.)
Looks good.
LSJ
> Is Psyche!+Mirror Image a valid combo? I thought that the new combat
> (from the Psyche!) didn't count as resulting from the acting minion
> being blocked and thus there is no action to continue and that you'd
> have to play Telepathic Tracking in order to get that combo working.
> Is it correct that you can play Mirror Image(or FoM or the other
> similar cards) to continue an action during a combat resulting from a
> Psyche!?
Yes, if you're the acting minion.
Mirror Image has no "in the resulting combat" restriction.
The action is still there to be continued.
> (Etrius + Protean Discipline + gets blocked: Earth Meld, Telepathic
> Tracking, Blood To Water, Form of Mist.)
Looks good.
henrik ericsson
> henrik ericsson wrote:
> > Is Psyche!+Mirror Image a valid combo? I thought that the new combat
> > (from the Psyche!) didn't count as resulting from the acting minion
> > being blocked and thus there is no action to continue and that you'd
> > have to play Telepathic Tracking in order to get that combo working.
> > Is it correct that you can play Mirror Image(or FoM or the other
> > similar cards) to continue an action during a combat resulting from a
> > Psyche!?
>
> Yes, if you're the acting minion.
But it doesn't matter who plays the Psyche!, right?
> Mirror Image has no "in the resulting combat" restriction.
> The action is still there to be continued.
Is any of the current cards (Form of Mist, Chameleon's Color,
Toreador's Bane) restricted in that way?
I can't find any errata on them, but I might as well check...
I find this ruling to clash a bit with the ruling about Sniper Rifle
and Psyche!
(You can't set the range in the new combat) since Sniper Rifle does
not have any restricting text about "the resulting combat", but I
might be missing something here...
> > (Etrius + Protean Discipline + gets blocked: Earth Meld, Telepathic
> > Tracking, Blood To Water, Form of Mist.)
>
> Looks good.
Thanks.
/Henrik
LSJ
>
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3DF7369D...@white-wolf.com>...
> > henrik ericsson wrote:
> > > Is Psyche!+Mirror Image a valid combo? I thought that the new combat
> > > (from the Psyche!) didn't count as resulting from the acting minion
> > > being blocked and thus there is no action to continue and that you'd
> > > have to play Telepathic Tracking in order to get that combo working.
> > > Is it correct that you can play Mirror Image(or FoM or the other
> > > similar cards) to continue an action during a combat resulting from a
> > > Psyche!?
> >
> > Yes, if you're the acting minion.
>
> But it doesn't matter who plays the Psyche!, right?
Correct.
> > Mirror Image has no "in the resulting combat" restriction.
> > The action is still there to be continued.
>
> Is any of the current cards (Form of Mist, Chameleon's Color,
> Toreador's Bane) restricted in that way?
> I can't find any errata on them, but I might as well check...
None of the current strikes that end combat and continue the
action have a "resulting combat" restriction, no.
> I find this ruling to clash a bit with the ruling about Sniper Rifle
> and Psyche!
> (You can't set the range in the new combat) since Sniper Rifle does
> not have any restricting text about "the resulting combat", but I
> might be missing something here...
Sniper Rifle has a inherent "resulting combat" restriction:
"If the bearer blocks an action, he or she may set the range for the
first round of combat "
That either means "resulting combat" or "every combat the occurs
after this minion has blocked any action".
Obviously, the former is the correct interpretation.
Flux
> henrik ericsson wrote:
>
> >I find this ruling to clash a bit with the ruling about Sniper Rifle
> >and Psyche!
> >(You can't set the range in the new combat) since Sniper Rifle does
> >not have any restricting text about "the resulting combat", but I
> >might be missing something here...
>
>
> Sniper Rifle has a inherent "resulting combat" restriction:
> "If the bearer blocks an action, he or she may set the range for the
> first round of combat "
>
> That either means "resulting combat" or "every combat the occurs
> after this minion has blocked any action".
Why not 'every combat that occurs during an action that he has blocked'?
'Resulting combat' is implicit, but not quite unambiguous.
Flux
LSJ
Because that would require errata. Card text offers no way to arrive at
such a reading without changing the card text.
> 'Resulting combat' is implicit, but not quite unambiguous.
As I said, yes.
Flux
> Flux wrote:
>
> >LSJ wrote:
> >
> >>Sniper Rifle has a inherent "resulting combat" restriction:
> >>"If the bearer blocks an action, he or she may set the range for the
> >>first round of combat "
> >>
> >>That either means "resulting combat" or "every combat the occurs
> >>after this minion has blocked any action".
> >
> >Why not 'every combat that occurs during an action that he has blocked'?
>
>
> Because that would require errata. Card text offers no way to arrive
> at such a reading without changing the card text.
Hm. Other than designer intent, I don't see why should any of these be
more valid:
- "... he or she may set the range for the first round of [the
resulting] combat"
- "... he or she may set the range for the first round of [every] combat"
- "... he or she may set the range for the first round of combat [during
that action]"
Many cards have implicit 'for this action' durations (most intercept and
stealth cards, for example), so that may even seem like the most logic
conclusion.
That just made me realize that Eyes of Night/Spirit's Touch by card text
seem to give a maneuver/press in any combat that occurs, and not only if
the block is sucessful. Which must be the reason for you to change the
text on Spirit's Touch for the CE :)
Flux