lsj: question about NRA

[Tetragrammaton]

Hello, i need a clarification about the NRA regarding these parts of the
rulebook:

6.1.6. Action Card (or Card in Play)
<snip>
...A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card or via the
same
card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each
turn, even if he untaps.

6.5.3. Rescue a Vampire from Torpor
<snip>
....This action costs 2 blood, which can be paid by the acting vampire or
the
rescued vampire, or the cost may be split between them.

now the question is:
it seems me that both the "Rescue a Vampire" and "Diablerize Vampire"
from torpor actions comes from a "card in play" (the torporous vampire
itself), so, if a
vampire attempts to rescue or to diablerize another torporous vamp and
fails, by untapping
can he/she attempt again the action ?
My guess is no, but i would like an official confirmation here.

thanks in advance

Emiliano, v:ekn Prince of Rome

[John P.]

"Tetragrammaton" <no...@usa.com> wrote in message news:c37o4i$25033v$1...@ID-158753.news.uni-berlin.de...

> Hello, i need a clarification about the NRA regarding these parts of the
> rulebook:

> now the question is:

> it seems me that both the "Rescue a Vampire" and "Diablerize Vampire"
> from torpor actions comes from a "card in play" (the torporous vampire
> itself), so, if a
> vampire attempts to rescue or to diablerize another torporous vamp and
> fails, by untapping
> can he/she attempt again the action ?
> My guess is no, but i would like an official confirmation here.

IANLJS but I believe that I have seen:

That like hunting, rescuing a vampire or diablerizing a vampire
is not provided by a card in play. Its considered a special deafault
action (special in that it can only be done when a vampire exists
in torpor). Bleed is the only restricted default action.

Diablerie can be attempted multiple times by the same
vampire as can rescuing. This is the basis of several yo-yo
decks. (Fame.. Torpor... untap... rescue...torpor)

-JTP

[LSJ]

John P. wrote:
> That like hunting, rescuing a vampire or diablerizing a vampire
> is not provided by a card in play. Its considered a special deafault
> action (special in that it can only be done when a vampire exists
> in torpor). Bleed is the only restricted default action.

Correct.
Google: "torpor card in play twice author:LSJ"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3F9688DB.6040602%40white-wolf.com

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