[LSJ] Shape Mastery vs. Henry Taylor

Damnans

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Dec 21, 2003, 12:24:08 PM12/21/03

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During an action, Henry Taylor (controlled by you) plays Shape
Mastery at superior (i.e., as a reaction card) to cancel a Shadow
Play.

Can you move that Shape Mastery from your ash heap to the top
of your library after that action?

I guess he cannot, because he did not play Shape Mastery as
a combat card, but as a reaction card, and Henry Taylor's
text reads: "... a combat card Henry played during that action...".

Name: Shape Mastery
[BH:R]
Cardtype: Combat/Reaction
Discipline: Protean
[pro] Cancel a combat card that requires Obtenebration [obt], Protean, or
Vicissitude [vic] as it is played (no cost is paid). The opposing minion cannot
play that card again this action.
[PRO] As above, but cancel an action modifier that requires any of those
Disciplines.

Name: Henry Taylor
[BH:U2]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Brujah antitribu
Group: 3
Capacity: 6
Discipline: cel pre pro POT
Sabbat: After an action, you may move a combat card Henry played during that
action from your ash heap to the top of your library.

Greetings,
Damnans

Halcyan 2

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Dec 21, 2003, 12:59:07 PM12/21/03

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>I guess he cannot, because he did not play Shape Mastery as
>a combat card, but as a reaction card, and Henry Taylor's
>text reads: "... a combat card Henry played during that action...".

But when Henry plays it, it is only as a reaction card, it does not count as a
combat card. Thus it does not qualify. Similarly, if he played a Swallowed by
the Night for stealth and was blocked, he coudln't retrieve that either.

Halcyan 2

LSJ

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Dec 21, 2003, 3:11:07 PM12/21/03

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Correct.

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salem

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Dec 21, 2003, 7:13:35 PM12/21/03

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:11:07 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
scrawled:

>Halcyan 2 wrote:
>>>I guess he cannot, because he did not play Shape Mastery as
>>>a combat card, but as a reaction card, and Henry Taylor's
>>>text reads: "... a combat card Henry played during that action...".
>>
>> But when Henry plays it, it is only as a reaction card, it does not count as a
>> combat card. Thus it does not qualify. Similarly, if he played a Swallowed by
>> the Night for stealth and was blocked, he coudln't retrieve that either.
>
>Correct.

on a similar note....if i Chiram's Hold a Swallowed By The Night, does
it cost the Held methuselah an additional blood when played as an
action modifier?

salem
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LSJ

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Dec 22, 2003, 8:00:55 AM12/22/03

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In all cases, a card that isn't played as an action modifier doesn't
count as an action modifier. In all cases, only action modifiers count
as action modifiers.

Eric Simon

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Dec 22, 2003, 1:49:47 PM12/22/03

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salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ondcuvcsnoah0r4sa...@4ax.com>...

Card Text:

Chiram's Hold
Combat
Cost: 1 blood

Requires a ready vampire in combat with an acting minion. Only usable
before range is determined.

Give this card to the controller of the acting minion and move a
combat card from that Methuselah's ash heap to this card. The chosen
combat card costs that Methuselah's vampires an additional blood. That
Methuselah may burn this card by discarding a copy of the chosen
combat card during his or her discard phase. A Methuselah can have
only 1 Chiram's Hold.

Note text: "The chosen COMBAT card". Answer - no. When SbtN is
played as an action mod, it is not being played as a combat card,
therefore it does not cost extra.

Eric Simon
Prince of Chicago
http://dragonhawke.net/chicagovtes