spoil the storyline promos?
Malone
Alastors storyline?
XZealot
> Is anyone willing to spoil the new promos from the Anarchs and
> Alastors storyline?
Sure....
Loose Lips Sink Ships
OOT Master Trifle
Only usable during an undirected action. Place this card on the
acting minion. While this card is in play, all the other minions
controlled by that Methuselah get -1 stealth. Burn one pool during
your untap phase or burn this card.
Blood is thicker than water
OOT Master
2 Pool
Only usable during a directed action. Place this card on the acting
minion. While this card is in play, all the other minions controlled
by that Methuselah pay an addtional blood for each action. Burn one
pool during your untap phase or burn this card.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
xcver
These seem awfully strong to me. Are they unique?
Peter D Bakija
> These seem awfully strong to me. Are they unique?
Yeah. Uniquely made up.
Peter D Bakija
pd...@lightlink.com
http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html
"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"
-Gaff
moravagine
> Is anyone willing to spoil the new promos from the Anarchs and
> Alastors storyline?
Let's Spoil:
Flames of Insurrection
Unique Master. Requires a ready anarch
When a minion opposing an anarch in combat leaves the ready region,
the controller of that anarch may move a counter from the bank to a
vampire in his or her uncontrolled region. Any vampire may call a
referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth political action.
Public Enemy
+1 stealth action. Requires a non-Red List, non-anarch vampire.
D Choose a non-titled, non-Red List minion who either has succesfully
bled for 3 or more pool since your last turn or is infernal or anarch.
The chosen minion becomes Red List.
Blooded Sand
Please tell me the bottom on is for real. Please?
witness1
These are both for real.
-witness1
agzocgud
it and (defensive) voting to keep it in play. At least it should have
a madness network-like blocking function like:
Any vampire may call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth
eligible blockers) can attempt to block (go clockwise if 2 or more
want to block).
PE on the other hand seems interesting. You don´t have to be the one
being bled, which makes it playable on your prey. You can borrow a
minion and either bleed for 3 or go anarch and then PE the poor
sucker. You can use on your own minions if some ultra-cool card for
red list minions is printed. There are no hefty requirements to play
it (such as titles or capacity), just the limit that you can´t use on
a titled vampire.
witness1
> FoI seems weak since you need both fighting power to take advantage of
> it and (defensive) voting to keep it in play. At least it should have
> a madness network-like blocking function like:
> Any vampire may call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth
> political action that any untapped anarch (in addition to the normally
> eligible blockers) can attempt to block (go clockwise if 2 or more
> want to block).
In theory you could gain enough pool in the turn you play it to
justify the master slot even if it's burned immediately afterward.
Also, given that another great anarch-combat card, Open War, requires
a baron already, it's not too much of a stretch that you'd have a few
votes yourself to defend it.
Both of these cards also have the advantage of functioning perfectly
well against the imbued.
> PE on the other hand seems interesting. You don´t have to be the one
> being bled, which makes it playable on your prey. You can borrow a
> minion and either bleed for 3 or go anarch and then PE the poor
> sucker. You can use on your own minions if some ultra-cool card for
> red list minions is printed.
Like Rebirth?
> There are no hefty requirements to play
> it (such as titles or capacity), just the limit that you can´t use on
> a titled vampire.
It does look like a solid improvement to the Trophy playground.
-witness1
Blooded Sand
Anarch revolt deck with a sideline of Trophy, splashed with some
constant revolutions? Did someone say Norm?
js_vtes
Anything along those lines?
moravagine
> Is there any new art on the reprinted cards? A new "expansion" symbol?
> Anything along those lines?
there is no new art, but a new extension symbol in red similar to the
symbol inside the old blood counters.
Thrall of Arika
> On Aug 11, 5:48 pm, agzocgud <per_math...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > FoI seems weak since you need both fighting power to take advantage of
> > it and (defensive) voting to keep it in play. At least it should have
> > a madness network-like blocking function like:
> > Any vampire may call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth
> > political action that any untapped anarch (in addition to the normally
> > eligible blockers) can attempt to block (go clockwise if 2 or more
> > want to block).
>
> In theory you could gain enough pool in the turn you play it to
> justify the master slot even if it's burned immediately afterward.
Unless you're removing minions left and right, I can't see cross-table
players being overly-concerned with trying to burn this card, at least
to start. It gives you 'pool' that keeps you alive longer, which makes
your Grand-Predator happy, and it helps you keep pressure on your
prey, which makes your Grand-Prey happy. By the time it's a concern,
you should have profited nicely from it.
> Also, given that another great anarch-combat card, Open War, requires
> a baron already, it's not too much of a stretch that you'd have a few
> votes yourself to defend it.
Does seem to be an interesting deck strategy for Anarchs. Looking to
build a Barons Open War deck myself, and this would certainly fit
right in.
> Both of these cards also have the advantage of functioning perfectly
> well against the imbued.
>
> > PE on the other hand seems interesting. You don´t have to be the one
> > being bled, which makes it playable on your prey. You can borrow a
> > minion and either bleed for 3 or go anarch and then PE the poor
> > sucker. You can use on your own minions if some ultra-cool card for
> > red list minions is printed.
>
> Like Rebirth?
>
> > There are no hefty requirements to play
> > it (such as titles or capacity), just the limit that you can´t use on
> > a titled vampire.
>
> It does look like a solid improvement to the Trophy playground.
Not entirely sold on it myself. It does have a great plus in that
there is no age requirement (ala Red List), nor requires being titled.
The downside is that it requires other players to be playing decks
that will allow you to play this card. Mind you, finding someone who
bleeds for 3 isn't all that uncommon nowadays, and the increased
interest in Anarchs due to Twilight Rebellion should likely produce
some targets during a game. I can see a couple being put into Trophy
decks, but don't think it will push out Red List/Trumped Up Charges.
Which works, since you're not likely to get dozens of this card in the
first place.
Chris, Thrall of Arika
AcheronNi...@gmail.com
Temptation + go anarch with tempted weenie + set's curse + trophy
progeny ? sounds quite reasonable for midcap setites [untitled ones]
also anarch/infernal vampires are quite common nowadays [anarch
converter to prevent anarch revolt from ousting you and as a cheap
bleeder or as crypt engine]
and do not forget that most tables have dominate deck who therefore
bleed for 3 or more
XZealot
You forgot the Thanatosis!
witness1
wrote:
Don't get me wrong - one of the reasons I like Public Enemy is that it
*doesn't* wallpaper Red List and Trumped Up Charges. What it does, is
broaden the strategic area surrounding Trophy decks - you're no longer
required to have titled, relatively old, vampires. A whole lot of new
possibilities should open up around this card.
It'll take a couple of whiles for players to sift through the
strategies and see if there's any gold in them thar hills, but it's
exciting just to know that there's new hills to explore.
-witness1
XZealot
Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
Description :
Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 9 average: 5.58333
------------------------------------------------------------
3x Unre, Keeper of Go 9 AUS FOR NEC dom ser thn bishop Harbinger:
2
3x Genina, The Red Po 8 CHI OBF THN aus cel for Samedi:3
1x Ghivran Dalaal, Th 5 FOR ani aus chi Ravnos:2
1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
1x Tsigane 3 aus chi Ravnos:2
1x Zoe 3 AUS cel obf Malkavian:
2
1x Feo Ramos 1 aus Pander:3
1x Franciscus 1 aus Caitiff:2
Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------
Action [11]
2x Nightmare Curse
2x Red List
3x Public Enemy
4x Temptation
Action Modifier [17]
5x Cloak the Gathering
4x Freak Drive
4x Hidden Lurker
4x Veil the Legions
Ally [6]
6x Reanimated Corpse
Combat [13]
3x Amaranth
7x Compress
3x Rigor Mortis
Equipment [2]
1x Flamethrower
1x Ivory Bow
Master [18]
4x Blood Doll
1x Club Zombie
1x Dummy Corporation
1x Giant's Blood
1x Houngan
1x Jake Washington (Hunter)
1x Rack, The
2x Trophy: Domain
1x Trophy: Hunting Ground
1x Trophy: Library
4x Vessel
Reaction [23]
6x My Enemy's Enemy
4x On the Qui Vive
6x Telepathic Counter
7x Telepathic Misdirection
Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Tue Aug 12 15:40:03 2008]
Blooded Sand
> Deck Name : Don't do the Crime, if you can't do the Time
> Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
> Description :
>
> Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 1 max: 9 average: 5.58333
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 3x Unre, Keeper of Go 9 AUS FOR NEC dom ser thn bishop Harbinger:
> 2
> 3x Genina, The Red Po 8 CHI OBF THN aus cel for Samedi:3
> 1x Ghivran Dalaal, Th 5 FOR ani aus chi Ravnos:2
> 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3
> 1x Tsigane 3 aus chi Ravnos:2
> 1x Zoe 3 AUS cel obf Malkavian:
> 2
> 1x Feo Ramos 1 aus Pander:3
> 1x Franciscus 1 aus Caitiff:2
>
> Library [90 cards]
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Action [11]
> 2x Nightmare Curse
assuming this is to be played at aus chi, right?
All that red list stuff, so you can play 4 trophies?
> 4x Vessel
>
> Reaction [23]
> 6x My Enemy's Enemy
> 4x On the Qui Vive
> 6x Telepathic Counter
> 7x Telepathic Misdirection
TC and Public enemy dont really mix well, do they? Unless you see a
lot of bleeds for 5 or more in your part of the world....
XZealot
> > 2x Nightmare Curse
>
> assuming this is to be played at aus chi, right?
Making your prey control infernal minions is justice embodied.
> > 2x Red List
> > 3x Public Enemy
> > 2x Trophy: Domain
> > 1x Trophy: Hunting Ground
> > 1x Trophy: Library
>
> All that red list stuff, so you can play 4 trophies?
What....all 5? to pretty much guarantee 2 trophies.
Yes Please!
> > 4x Vessel
>
> > Reaction [23]
> > 6x My Enemy's Enemy
> > 4x On the Qui Vive
> > 6x Telepathic Counter
> > 7x Telepathic Misdirection
>
> TC and Public enemy dont really mix well, do they? Unless you see a
> lot of bleeds for 5 or more in your part of the world....
Who said that you can only play it on minions that have bled you?
Thrall of Arika
That's an extremely good point, and one that I haven't fully
appreciated until you spoke of it. It does give the Rabble some way to
try and make a name for themselves *grins*
And yes, it's not totally uncommon to find bleeds of 3 or Anarchs
(Infernals are rare in my parts, though). But in the end, it still
relies on the other players having done something first, and it may
not serve well to go cross-table Red Listing because the only heavy
bleed deck is your Grand Predator, say. It won't help much against
most combat decks, or voting decks. But, with the popularity of Anarch
Convert, finding Anarch Public Enemies shouldn't be that hard, at
least until the new Camarilla step forward later this year.
On Aug 12, 3:35 pm, Blooded Sand <sandm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:41 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Deck Name : Don't do the Crime, if you can't do the Time
> > Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
> > Description :
> > 2x Red List
> > 3x Public Enemy
> > 4x Temptation
>
> > Master [18]
> > 4x Blood Doll
> > 1x Club Zombie
> > 1x Dummy Corporation
> > 1x Giant's Blood
> > 1x Houngan
> > 1x Jake Washington (Hunter)
> > 1x Rack, The
> > 2x Trophy: Domain
> > 1x Trophy: Hunting Ground
> > 1x Trophy: Library
>
> All that red list stuff, so you can play 4 trophies?
I don't typically play more than 5 trophies myself in most of my
trophy decks. And I often use twice the Red List tech than Xzealot
does (usually 5 each of Red List and Big Game).
> > 4x Vessel
>
> > Reaction [23]
> > 6x My Enemy's Enemy
> > 4x On the Qui Vive
> > 6x Telepathic Counter
> > 7x Telepathic Misdirection
>
> TC and Public enemy dont really mix well, do they? Unless you see a
> lot of bleeds for 5 or more in your part of the world....
Don't see why not. Reduce the little bleeds to encourage bigger ones,
then send the bigger ones off into the wild, giving you the
opportunite to play Public Enemy without having to take the pool hit.
Besides, a bleed of 2 doesn't help to play PE either. Plus a tactic I
often see is to try little bleeds first to draw out bounce before
lunging with a big bleed, especially with Auspex bounce as it taps
you. Or the reverse, where a big bleed seems threatening to lunge at
the end, so the little bleeds are let through, and then the big bleed
never comes.
Chris, Thrall of Arika
witness1
wrote:
> On Aug 12, 10:39 am, witness1 <jwnewqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Don't get me wrong - one of the reasons I like Public Enemy is that it
> > *doesn't* wallpaper Red List and Trumped Up Charges. What it does, is
> > broaden the strategic area surrounding Trophy decks - you're no longer
> > required to have titled, relatively old, vampires. A whole lot of new
> > possibilities should open up around this card.
>
> > It'll take a couple of whiles for players to sift through the
> > strategies and see if there's any gold in them thar hills, but it's
> > exciting just to know that there's new hills to explore.
>
> That's an extremely good point, and one that I haven't fully
> appreciated until you spoke of it. It does give the Rabble some way to
> try and make a name for themselves *grins*
>
> And yes, it's not totally uncommon to find bleeds of 3 or Anarchs
> (Infernals are rare in my parts, though). But in the end, it still
> relies on the other players having done something first, and it may
> not serve well to go cross-table Red Listing because the only heavy
> bleed deck is your Grand Predator, say. It won't help much against
> most combat decks, or voting decks. But, with the popularity of Anarch
> Convert, finding Anarch Public Enemies shouldn't be that hard, at
> least until the new Camarilla step forward later this year.
There are ways to encourage other meths to make anarchs. Ways which
synergize well with combat strategies.
There is at least one way to make another methuselah's minion
infernal.
There are ways to encourage big bleeds as well.
Maximizing the utility of Public Enemy will impose limitations on your
deck, just as Red List imposes the "must have a relatively large
titled vampire or use an ally that passes around the table"
limitation.
If the card didn't impose *some* limitation, it would wallpaper the
previous cards and I would dislike it for that alone. If it imposed
very similar limitations as the previous cards, it would be relatively
uninteresting, marginally improving existing Trophy tech at best.
Since it instead imposes drastically differenty limitations than those
cards, it opens up new strategic possibilities without simply
replacing the old ones.
-witness1
moravagine
Can we have the exact date of legality, to play these cards in
tournament constructed format ?
vtes...@white-wolf.com
>> > On Aug 11, 7:34 pm, Malone <kffos...@indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> > > Is anyone willing to spoil the new promos from the Anarchs and
> > > Alastors storyline?
>
> > Let's Spoil:
>
> > Flames of Insurrection
>
>
> Can we have the exact date of legality, to play these cards in
> tournament constructed format ?
>
>
The 2 new Anarchs and Alastors Promo cads will be tournament legal on
September 9th.
-Ben Swainbank
V:tes Storyline Coordinator
moravagine
Thankx Ben