Ruling questions... (Tom?)
Eric Eslinger
Okay, I have tried and tried to figure these questions out for myself,
but there is no light at the end of the tunnel yet. Here they go...
1. Vamp A has a zip gun and 1 blood, vamp B has thaumaturgy an 3 blood.
Vamp A uses the zip gun to manuver to long range and fire, thus invoking
the one point of damage clause contained in the zipgun. Vamp B uses a
Theft of Vitae card to steal 2 blood from vamp A. As far as I can tell,
these two sources of damage cannot be resolved simultaneously in the
damage prevention stage of combat. If the zipgun resolves first, vamp A
has no blood left, and therefore the ToV is pointless. If the ToV
resolves first, vamp A gets put into torpor from the zipgun's side
effect. What should happen here?
2. The text on Watenda (AH malk, 3blood, obf) does not say "any combat
he is in". Can he affect combats he is not participating in? Something
to think about.
pulled fangs? never! muahahaha.
-Eric
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Eric Pettersen
Eric Eslinger <esli...@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu> wrote:
> Okay, I have tried and tried to figure these questions out for myself,
> but there is no light at the end of the tunnel yet. Here they go...
>
> 1. Vamp A has a zip gun and 1 blood, vamp B has thaumaturgy an 3 blood.
> Vamp A uses the zip gun to manuver to long range and fire, thus invoking
> the one point of damage clause contained in the zipgun. Vamp B uses a
> Theft of Vitae card to steal 2 blood from vamp A. As far as I can tell,
> these two sources of damage cannot be resolved simultaneously in the
> damage prevention stage of combat. If the zipgun resolves first, vamp
> A has no blood left, and therefore the ToV is pointless. If the ToV
> resolves first, vamp A gets put into torpor from the zipgun's side
> effect. What should happen here?
Beats me. I'll love to hear the answer on this one. :-)
>
> 2. The text on Watenda (AH malk, 3blood, obf) does not say "any combat
> he is in". Can he affect combats he is not participating in? Something
> to think about.
I think I can answer this one, though -- it's exactly the same situation
as Stanislava's special ability (which Tom has ruled on). Since the ability
mentions the "opposing minion", the ability can only be used in a combat
that the vampire is in -- otherwise there is no opposing minion.
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Michael Kelly
Eric Eslinger wrote:
>
> Okay, I have tried and tried to figure these questions out for myself,
> but there is no light at the end of the tunnel yet. Here they go...
>
> 1. Vamp A has a zip gun and 1 blood, vamp B has thaumaturgy an 3 blood.
> Vamp A uses the zip gun to manuver to long range and fire, thus invoking
> the one point of damage clause contained in the zipgun. Vamp B uses a
> Theft of Vitae card to steal 2 blood from vamp A. As far as I can tell,
> these two sources of damage cannot be resolved simultaneously in the
> damage prevention stage of combat. If the zipgun resolves first, vamp A
> has no blood left, and therefore the ToV is pointless. If the ToV
> resolves first, vamp A gets put into torpor from the zipgun's side
> effect. What should happen here?
>
> he is in". Can he affect combats he is not participating in? Something
> to think about.
>
I also wonder about the timing of ThOV. Does the blood get stolen before
or after damage is applied. Will a vampire with 1 blood and 2 capacity
that takes 2 damage and steals 2 blood go to topor and will it end
up with 0, 1, or 2 blood.
James Puzzo
Eric Eslinger (esli...@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu) wrote:
: 1. Vamp A has a zip gun and 1 blood, vamp B has thaumaturgy an 3 blood.
: Vamp A uses the zip gun to manuver to long range and fire, thus invoking
: the one point of damage clause contained in the zipgun. Vamp B uses a
: Theft of Vitae card to steal 2 blood from vamp A. As far as I can tell,
: these two sources of damage cannot be resolved simultaneously in the
: damage prevention stage of combat. If the zipgun resolves first, vamp A
: has no blood left, and therefore the ToV is pointless. If the ToV
: resolves first, vamp A gets put into torpor from the zipgun's side
: effect. What should happen here?
My guess is that the zipgun payment happens BEFORE resolution, i.e. when you
use it. Then ToV resolves at the same time as your ranged strike resolves
with him. You have no blood left, his ToV fizzles. The key, I believe,
is the text which states that the zip gun does damage "when used".
Feel free to wait for a rulesmonger, I'm just tossing in my two cents.
It would be in keeping with the ruling stating that the "damage" done to
the bearer can not be dodged...
-spongy
L. Scott Johnson
Eric Eslinger <esli...@rudolf.nscl.msu.edu> writes:
>1. Vamp A has a zip gun and 1 blood, vamp B has thaumaturgy an 3 blood.
>Vamp A uses the zip gun to manuver to long range and fire, thus invoking
>the one point of damage clause contained in the zipgun. Vamp B uses a
>Theft of Vitae card to steal 2 blood from vamp A. As far as I can tell,
>these two sources of damage cannot be resolved simultaneously in the
>damage prevention stage of combat. If the zipgun resolves first, vamp A
>has no blood left, and therefore the ToV is pointless. If the ToV
>resolves first, vamp A gets put into torpor from the zipgun's side
>effect. What should happen here?
They resolve at the same - applying damage to A and moving blood from A
to B. After those effects happen, then you begin healing the damage
applied - vamp A burns one blood to heal the damage applied.
(So, effectively, the damage is applied second, but it helps if you
think of it in the above terms).
>2. The text on Watenda (AH malk, 3blood, obf) does not say "any combat
>he is in". Can he affect combats he is not participating in? Something
>to think about.
Minion combat effects can only be used by minions in combat unless
explicitly stated on card text (Mariel, e.g.).
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