(DECK) Hierophantastic!
brandons...@yahoo.com
get out Amenophobis and start bringing minions into your uncontrolled
region like crazy. From there, pick which ones you want to actually
bring out to vote and which ones you just want pool from. Eventually,
it should cost about 3 blood to block your Hierophants(since they
stack), weakening defense on your prey and making your pred's vamps
dry. Temptations go mainly on your pred's vamps. Once you are set up,
bleed with like 5+ minions a turn. The Blithe Acceptances could be
more Temptations.
Crypt: 12 average: 5.25
3 Amenophobis 7 OBF SER dom pre primogen.. other stuff
1 Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER FOR hurts to fail to block
1 Ankh Sen-Sutekh 6 PRE SER obf +1 bleed
2 Renenet 5 OBF PRE ser
1 Sisocharis 4 cel obf pre
1 Marla Kenyon 4 PRE ser
1 Rev. Djoser Jones 3 pre ser
1 Ahmrose Chambers 3 obf ser
1 Abdelsobek 5 untap vamp/mummy as +1 stealth action
Master: 14
2 obfuscate
2 dominate
1 info highway
1 elder library
1 opium den
2 temple hunting ground
5 tribute to the master
Actions: 13
8 mesu bedshet
3 temptation
2 blithe acceptance
Political Actions: 17
10 hierophant
4 free states rant
3 auturkis persecution
Equipment: 1
1 moleke blood
Action Mods: 18
6 bewitching oration
6 lost in crowds
2 elder intervention
4 cloak the gathering
Combat: 9
9 unholy penance
Combo: 4
4 swallowed by the night
Reactions: 14
7 deflection
4 on the qui vive
3 wake
What do you think?
Brandon
Izaak
<brandons...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Here's a somewhat rough version of a deck idea I have. The idea is to
> get out Amenophobis and start bringing minions into your uncontrolled
> region like crazy. From there, pick which ones you want to actually
> bring out to vote and which ones you just want pool from. Eventually,
> it should cost about 3 blood to block your Hierophants(since they
> stack), weakening defense on your prey and making your pred's vamps
> dry. Temptations go mainly on your pred's vamps. Once you are set up,
> bleed with like 5+ minions a turn. The Blithe Acceptances could be
> more Temptations.
Interesting, because I actually built a very similar deck recently that used
FSR/Temptation with Hierophant along with Mesu.
So with that experience I'll have a go at it.
> Crypt: 12 average: 5.25
> 3 Amenophobis 7 OBF SER dom pre primogen.. other stuff
> 1 Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER FOR hurts to fail to block
> 1 Ankh Sen-Sutekh 6 PRE SER obf +1 bleed
> 2 Renenet 5 OBF PRE ser
> 1 Sisocharis 4 cel obf pre
> 1 Marla Kenyon 4 PRE ser
> 1 Rev. Djoser Jones 3 pre ser
> 1 Ahmrose Chambers 3 obf ser
> 1 Abdelsobek 5 untap vamp/mummy as +1 stealth action
Since you have that dominate angle in, I don't see why you don't play guys
like Kehina and Nefuru. They both have some form of Dominate and votes on
top of it. It's unlikely you're going to get out more than two 7+ caps
anyway so might as well make the best of it. Plus, they're bigger so you get
more damage to deal with FSR. Also both of them have an excellent voting
special if you put in a tiny corruption counter angle. More on that below.
My deck uses the newer minions, mostly because of Nakhthorheb, but I guess
group 3/4 works as well.
> Master: 14
> 2 obfuscate
> 2 dominate
> 1 info highway
> 1 elder library
> 1 opium den
> 2 temple hunting ground
> 5 tribute to the master
Right... this needs a lot of work, because this selection is, IMO, really
poor.
For starters -1 hunting ground. In fact I wouldn't use any, but if you like
hunting grounds go for it. I'm also not too fond of Elder Library as it's
just "pay 1 pool to draw 1 card". A Barrens is much better since it actually
lets just you flush cards and its free. Or just use a Dreams, really.
I take it you forked in the dominate angle just for deflection, which kinda
makes sense. I personally just relied on Cap/Tap and some Lost in
Translation to deal with bleeders, but since Amen already has dom it makes
sense. I wouldnt personally use dominate masters as its dodgy at best and
rely on my crypt to be able to bounce. You don't need superior to bounce,
since you're not going to be untapped anyway so it'll usually be wake ->
deflect. So ditch the dominate masters. The same goes for the obfuscate ones
since I really think obfuscate is good enough at inferior AND most of your
guys have superior already anyway.
All that makes some room for a Cave of Apples (yes I know it's 3 pool, but
combined with the two voting specials I mentioned earlier it's quite amazing
and you can use Truth of 1K lies for actual austing power). A Heidelberg is
always fun, because, you know, temptation +heidelberg works just too good.
Steal random stuff and if they don't have random stuff you can always take
their blood. After acting of course. It definately needs a Feraille too.
Passing them votes will be critical and one Priscus or Justicar on the table
can ruin your party if you rely on just Bewitching. When you have vote
superiority you can always use it for bloating purposes with Voter Cap.
Then I'd also cut out the tributes and replace with a mix of Minion Tap and
Blood Dolls (say 4/5 taps and 2/3 dolls). Or you could use Vessels if you're
comfortable with the poolcost and add some more masters (since they're
trifles) for extra funky-ness. Eternals of Sirius is more than excellent,
Suddens and Washes are always good and you can never go wrong with playing
more dreams.
> Actions: 13
> 8 mesu bedshet
> 3 temptation
> 2 blithe acceptance
As you said - blithe is unneeded so replace for two more temptations. I also
think that without any untapping mechanics you have way too many actions
(politicals included). You may plan on tempting one or two of your own
minions and keep them at low blood, but with 2-3 actions per turn 8 mesu's
may be too much. Testing will have to tell you. If you choose to add the
tiny corruption counter angle play 2-3 Revelation of Ecstasy. Maybe 6 Mesu,
5 Temptation and 3 Revelations.
> Political Actions: 17
> 10 hierophant
> 4 free states rant
> 3 auturkis persecution
10 hiero's is too much. You only need 2-3 on your main vampire to pretty
much erase any sort of blocking threat and after that they're just going to
be dead weight. I would drop 3 or so and also cut the Autarkis votes. Add
one or two FSR's and stick with ~12-13 politicals. That's enough for one per
turn (most games last between 12 and 15 turns) and leaves you actions to
actually bleed or play Mesu. Take note that Amenophobis can't play Free
States Rant because he's Camarilla.
> Equipment: 1
> 1 moleke blood
It's a good card for serpentis decks that rely on one single card to
function, but you can only fish for cards that require serpentis. Your deck
has a whole 3 of those making it quite redundant :-).
> Action Mods: 18
> 6 bewitching oration
> 6 lost in crowds
> 2 elder intervention
> 4 cloak the gathering
Solid. Needs Voter Captivation though. I prefer Into Thin Air over Lost in
Crowds these days for Setites because the DNR clause doesn't really hurt you
that much and it can get past 2nd tradition. If you choose to add the tiny
corruption counter angle make room for 2-3 Venenations and 2-3 Revelation of
Desire.
> Combat: 9
> 9 unholy penance
Too many. Ideally you're not going to get into combat. Sure, there's rushers
but they're going to S:CE down anyway with Grapply or summat. Also, you
won't have many actions, so the Unholy Penance's bleed bonus won't do you
much good. If you *do* get blocked (most likely way to get into combat), you
have way more use for Majesty's untap so you can try a different action. For
my metagame using 4-6 Majesty's usually does the trick, but I often have
succes with none at all. See what works best for your local game.
> Combo: 4
> 4 swallowed by the night
I like that card for the dual purpose and easy cyclability. Four seems to be
an ideal number.
> Reactions: 14
> 7 deflection
> 4 on the qui vive
> 3 wake
I think the only time you will be wanting to use a wake is when you deflect,
so good call on using equal numbers for both. 7/7 is fine, but if you need
to make room for other cards, you can cut down to 6/6 or 5/5 and still be
fairly well defended against really big bleeders. All it takes is bouncing
one bleed for 4 or 5 into your prey to make them be a lot more careful.
Especially since people don't expect Setites to bounce.
Hope that helps some.
Dasein
> <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Quick question; does the extra vote from Hierophant get reduced by 1
when you're doing a Free States Rant? What if you had a bunch of them?
Would you lose the extra vote from all of them or just 1? How does it
work?
XZealot
> Quick question; does the extra vote from Hierophant get reduced by 1
> when you're doing a Free States Rant? What if you had a bunch of them?
> Would you lose the extra vote from all of them or just 1? How does it
> work?
Heirophant is not a title and is unaffected by FSR.
Comments Welcome,
Norman S. Brown, Jr
XZealot
Archon of the Swamp
librarian
>
>
> Political Actions: 17
> 10 hierophant
> 4 free states rant
> 3 auturkis persecution
>
Reckless Agitation?
best -
chris
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> <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The dominate is to have alternate bouncers, just in case my main guy
is taken down. If you add a dom master onto Amenophobis, he can add
counters onto a copy of himself that he pulls up with mesu bedshet.
Bonus! Obfuscate is to either get OBF on guys with basic or give obf
to the ones without any. 6/12 don't have OBF. You are probably right
about having too many Unholy Penance. I might as well just drop Blithe
Acceptances until I get another FoS starter for more temptations.
Didn't think about the main guy not being able to use FSR.. hmm. The
corruption counter angle is interesting.. Unfortunately I don't have
the crypt cards or the vote location. I'll have to mess around with
the deck some and see how it does. Thanks for the advice!
Brandon
P.S. Chris- I might end up swapping the Auturkis persecution for RA's,
especially since it would help put pressure on my prey while I set up.
preac...@gmx.at
> Here's a somewhat rough version of a deck idea I have. The idea is to
> get out Amenophobis and start bringing minions into your uncontrolled
> region like crazy. From there, pick which ones you want to actually
> bring out to vote and which ones you just want pool from. Eventually,
> it should cost about 3 blood to block your Hierophants(since they
> stack), weakening defense on your prey and making your pred's vamps
> dry. Temptations go mainly on your pred's vamps. Once you are set up,
> bleed with like 5+ minions a turn. The Blithe Acceptances could be
> more Temptations.
Well, as I'm a huge fan of Amenophobis, let me say a few words. :)
If you center the deck around him, the most obvious route would be to
include more Serpentis actions, so his special kicks in more often.
You can cut then the Elder Library, as card flow will be steady. You
cannot play FSR and RA with Amenopbobis, as he is Camarilla, as
another poster pointed out.
There might be a neat trick for his conditional +1 bleed special: put
Form of Corruption into play. Call a Regaining the Upper Hand vote and
give your prey the edge. Add a counter to the Form and bleed at +1
with Amenophobis. Fun!
Also, I would concentrate more on Temptations to have vampires of your
predator or prey do much of your work. Use Heidelberg to bring them
down to 1 blood once you manage to take control and you are golden.
Also, try to use some Consignments to Duat, as they accelerate the
rate at which you can take over enemy vamps.
There is also the +1 stealth Serpentis bleed-action (what's it's name
- Eternal Mask?) you can use for your small ser guys which don't have
access to obf and - again - use Amenophobis special to get a good hand
if needed. Remember, you can use his special any time a serpentis
action is successful, regardless of the minion who plays it. :)
Dominate is always good.
>
> Crypt: 12 average: 5.25
> 3 Amenophobis 7 OBF SER dom pre primogen.. other stuff
> 1 Ogwon 7 OBF PRE SER FOR hurts to fail to block
If you go the route of more serpentis actions, definitely try to
include a copy or two of Allonzo Montoya, the Abomination with SER OBF
and +1 stealth on serpentis actions - strong synergy with Amenophobis.
> 1 Ankh Sen-Sutekh 6 PRE SER obf +1 bleed
> 2 Renenet 5 OBF PRE ser
How about Black Lotus? She is 5 cap and has DOM.
> 1 Sisocharis 4 cel obf pre
> 1 Marla Kenyon 4 PRE ser
> 1 Rev. Djoser Jones 3 pre ser
> 1 Ahmrose Chambers 3 obf ser
Belle Equitone, the 2 cap with ser!
> 1 Abdelsobek 5 untap vamp/mummy as +1 stealth action
>
> Master: 14
> 2 obfuscate
> 2 dominate
I would cut those and use Spontanous Power instead. Sure it costs 2
pool, but it is flexible.
> 1 info highway
Drop it.
> 1 elder library
Drop it.
> 1 opium den
> 2 temple hunting ground
1 should be enough.
> 5 tribute to the master
2 Vessels and 2 Blood Dolls instead.
You should include Crocodiles Temple to inclict damage on your preds
minons and Retribution.
>
> Actions: 13
> 8 mesu bedshet
> 3 temptation
> 2 blithe acceptance
I would lose the Mesu Bedshets and concentrate on Form of Corruption,
Temptation, Consignment to Duat, Eternal Mask and a prayer-copy of
*Set's Curse*! There will always be weenies or allies to take
advantage of...
1 or 2 Enticement after you bled with Amenophobis?
>
> Political Actions: 17
> 10 hierophant
> 4 free states rant
> 3 auturkis persecution
As mentioned, Regaining the Upper Hand is nice if you want some fun
and steal minions permanently.
I think 6 Hierophants should suffice.
If you want to do pool damage, use KRCs. They are not as expensive as
RAs. A Permanent Vacation and/or Disputed Territory could come in
handy.
>
> Equipment: 1
> 1 moleke blood
I don't know. I never was getting mileage out of this equipment...
>
> Action Mods: 18
> 6 bewitching oration
> 6 lost in crowds
> 2 elder intervention
> 4 cloak the gathering
Drop the BOs and add some Veil the Legions and Faceless Night. Drop 2
Lost in Crowds for 2 Form of the Serpent for your guys without obf.
>
> Combat: 9
> 9 unholy penance
>
Though a good card, it doesn't make much sense with Amenophobis. Use
Cobra Fangs, and Tongue of the Serpent to annoy your opponents.
All your vampires should be able to play them.
> Combo: 4
> 4 swallowed by the night
>
> Reactions: 14
> 7 deflection
Replace 2 Deflections with Redirections.
> 4 on the qui vive
> 3 wake
-1 OtQV
-1 Wake
+1 Eluding the Arms of Morpheus
+1 Fillip
If you find room, add some Ecstasy. This is so fun against allies who
only have 1 life. :)
And most (all) of your minions should be able to play it.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Brandon
Keep on playing this deck with some modifications and let us know how
it works!