ICC and VTES players
The Lasombra
North Atlanta. We found a few players that weren't playing locally
anymore, but that did have decks with them.
1) Phoenix, Arizona
2) London, UK
3) Boston, Massachusetts
4) Austin, Texas
In each case, we hooked them each up with a business card and a link
to their local players.
Even these White Wolf game aficionados weren't looking for V:TES
players at White Wolf's site. Where do you think we should be fishing
for newbies? (Or players that have lost touch with local playgroups
due to moving to new towns, changing job schedules, etc.)
YY
I think this links back to the FLGS thread. It helps if the FLGS (or
at least LGS) provides table space and stocks (or is willing to take
orders for) V:tES cards.
A place where the game can gain visibility will always help generate
interest among the other people wandering around. The rest is then up
to the players.
One way that saw some success over here in Singapore was having V:tES
events at a mixed convention at a very public place (the FLGS actually
held it at the community centre). I am talking about non-(CCG-only)
conventions. This way, the game is exposed to both new players (who
aren't already M:tG players :-p) and existing players who have lost
(or have yet to find) the local gaming group (also helps if the
players can maintain friendly, interesting banter while gaming at
these public events). V:tES, unfortunately (or fortunately) does not
work for people who cannot interact well with others, and (I'm
stereotyping here) most other CCG players fall into that category.
So unless that player is not currently getting a high out of crushing
xer opponent by spending buckets of $$$ on the latest shiny rare-
intensive combo deck, xe is not likely to jump ship to V:tES soon.
Fish outside the CCG players, and maybe we can net a bigger catch.
My $0.02's worth.
Cheers
YY
Ruben Feldman
MTG players are the best source of new players. Players that get sick
of playing so competitively and losing to kids that have all the
cards. This might also hold for L5R, WoW etc.
I think we should aim to optimize the game's exposure whenever there
events for those games.
The Lasombra
> > The International Camarilla Conclave 2009 took place last weekend in
> > North Atlanta. We found a few players that weren't playing locally
> > anymore, but that did have decks with them.
> > Even these White Wolf game aficionados weren't looking for V:TES
> > players at White Wolf's site. Where do you think we should be fishing
> > for newbies? (Or players that have lost touch with local playgroups
> > due to moving to new towns, changing job schedules, etc.)
> One way that saw some success over here in Singapore was having V:tES
> events at a mixed convention at a very public place (the FLGS actually
> held it at the community centre). I am talking about non-(CCG-only)
> conventions.
ICC is a LARP convention.
There were no other CCGs, though there was a poker tournament.
YY
>
> ICC is a LARP convention.
> There were no other CCGs, though there was a poker tournament.
Ah, my bad. Could up the background story angle to hook RPG/LARP
players?
Lainn
As I know a good amount of those people personally.
The player from Phoenix, his name is Travis Clark, he has all but
given up the game. I have attempted to talk him back into the game on
a # of occasions. He is adamantly opposed. Due to time constraints
and his work schedule.
The player from London UK, his name is Rory. He has decided to help
me out and the new Prince of London Ontario, Canada and hand me his
cards @ CAINe. Another Larp based event.
With all of that being said, would I rather they both get back into
the game again, Of course. However I am more than willing to accept
both of their gifts of cards to me to help build up a good play base
here in Canada.
It is more of a case that I know they are done, so I optimize my game
building strategy.
Now onto the idea of whre to draw from. I firmly believe that
disenfranchised "insert name here" players from ccg's of all stripes
should be our target. From Star wars to Magic to Wow to Yu Gi Oh. To
that end even I have created a new vampire deck based on one i found d
on the internet, with help from Maginc newest set Zendikar. If anyone
wants my deck build send me an email.
Lainn
V:TES Prince of London Ontario, Canada.
The Lasombra
wrote:
> > > ICC is a LARP convention.
> > > There were no other CCGs, though there was a poker tournament.
> As I know a good amount of those people personally.
> The player from Phoenix, his name is Travis Clark
The player from Phoenix was a girl, I didn't get her name.
> The player from London UK, his name is Rory.
The player from London was Matt.
The player from Austin used to be the prince of Stillwater, Oklahoma.
I didn't play with the Boston player, but he was aware of their games.
Lainn
Then I stand corrected. I do know both of the oeople I mentioned were
at ICC.
Oiendor
I became hooked on VTES a few months ago and perhaps I can help.
I bought a few decks back in the 90's but didn't play much because of
the complexity.
I got disapointed in both MTG and Vampire because of the "killer
decks" being used by opponents and the fact that nobody played for
ante.
Since I had a lot of MTG, I started a ongoing tournament with my own
cards, distributed randomly and a lot of friends got hooked.
Last year one of those friends gave me his Jyhad cards as he didn't do
anything with it anymore and I started a tournament with VTES as well.
Soon most of us were playing VTES and we are still doing this twice a
week in general.
The walls I run into:
- I have to buy everything online, there is no place in my hometown
(they have 4 specialist game shops) to buy VTES in a shop
- Because nothing can be bought in shops, a demo is not very
interesting for shopowners
- VTES is only known by the jaded gameplayers (30+), for most younger
people this is some obscure old card game
- The game is very complex and you will loose quite some games to get
to know it and play it well
- It is difficult to find people nearby to swap cards
- Most sites on VTES are heavily outdated and there are a lot of
broken links, this looks like it is not much alive anymore
The positive side:
- This is the best multiplayer ccg ever! Where MTG might be great
1on1, VTES rules in multiplayer
- There are a lot of people doing nothing with their old cards and
will sell it for low prices
- As soon as you have played one or two games, you're hooked!
- Storylines! I love 'm!
My 2 cents.
Oiendor
GreenO
> The player from London was Matt.
Sangster? Big guy, blond/red hair?
I know that in the past there were attempts by the UK LARP groups to
have V:TES tournaments at LARP events that were not open the rest of
the V:TES playing public.
Personally, I feel that the mindset for good V:TES play and the
mindset for good LARPing could not be further apart.
The Lasombra
> > The player from London was Matt.
> Sangster? Big guy, blond/red hair?
I didn't catch the last name, but yes, I suspect this is the same guy.
Lainn
ever plays now. But she is still competitive.