Official Results, St Valentines Day Massacre (Watford UK), 18th Feb 2001
Hamdamcwa
February, for what was the most exciting and well attended tourney to date.
Once again, the venue did us proud, and although it was a long day, everyone
really seemed to enjoy themelves. It was really good to see a large number of
new players surface, especially those from out of the area - at least 10 of the
19 were new to a Watford tourney, if not to the scene itself (and you are all
more than welcome back next time, guys!)
There was a strange spread of decks. Despite the promise of a prize for big
bleeds, few really seemed to be focussed on going above about 5 point bleeds.
Combat decks seemed to be few and far between (interesting that the only true
combat deck won, then!), but Politics seemed to really count, at least in the
games I saw.
The players were (in no order):
Adam Payn - "Bunch of Fives" atonement deck
Lamp (yes, Lamp!) - I didn't see - maybe Malky stuff?
Martin Cubberly - Animalism / Dominate (Ravnos + Gangrel)
James Lewis - Toreador Aching Beauty + intercept deck
Tony Smith - Tzimisce Intercept
Jackie Eves - !Toredor intercept deck.
Simon Croome - Lasombra toolbox deck
Alan Smith - Malkavian / Ventrue bleed
Adrian Deacon - "Hugs and Kisses" deck - Giovanni / EuroBrujah bleed and bruise
with stealth (!)
Daniel Vandenburg - Dominate bleed deck
John "Bingotclown" Barclay - Malks with protean OOT toolbox
Mark Allen - "Ventrue Surprise" Malks + Ventrue Dominate Bleed
Mike Nudd - I cannot remember! I think it was a Dominate bassed deck, since I
saw a Ventrue and a !Ventrue out in one game, but I mislaid his card - Sorry
Mike!
James "Legniter" McLellan - ToGP combat deck (which came 2nd in the nationals)
Scott Holland - Disguised Weapon Cel / Obf deck
Andy Brown - Malk S+B deck
Barny Baker - Toreador / Tremere Princes + Justicars Presence + Dominate bleed
deck, using Spiradonus.
Tom Kassel - Green grow the Rushes, Oh deck. !Brujah rush with rush and more
rush (did I mention it rushed? Good).
Some bloke called David Hammond - Wrath of the Inner Circle deck - Key crypt
members include Leandro, Arika, and Anson. Bloats until in can bloat no more,
then Voter Captivates all those tasty Protect Thine Owns and Banishments.
Usually gets 3 Master Phases without too much trouble, and tends to dominate
the game quite quickly if it plays right. An early version is archived
somewhere in usenet, and very little has changed, except Hostile Takeovers are
now a useful factor in it's strategy.
Judges were (using Multi Judge sytem)
James McLellan - Judge 1
Mike Nudd - Judge 2
Tom Kassel - Judge 3
James Lewis - Judge 4
Martin Cubberly - Judge 5
David Hammond - Judge 6
Play went like this:
Game 1
Table 1
James Lewis - 0
Andy Brown - 5
Adam Payne - 0
Mark Allen - 0
Scott Holland - 0
Table 2
Tony Smith - 0
Martin Cubberly - 0
Daniel Vandenburg - 0
James McLellan - 3
Tom Kassel - 2
Table 3
Alan Smith - 0
Jackie Eves - 1
Simon Croome - 0
David Hammond - 3
Table 4 (time out)
Barney Baker - 0.5
Mike Nudd - 0.5
John Barclay - 0.5
Lamp - 0.5
Adrian Deacon - 0.5
Game 2
Table 1
Jackie Eves - 1
John Barclay - 1
Adam Payne - 0
Lamp - 0
Scott Holland - 4
Table 2
James Lewis - 0
David Hammond - 4
Mark Allen - 0
James McLellan - 0
Andy Brown - 1
Table 3
Alan Smith - 1
Daniel Vandenburg- 1
Simon Croome - 0
Scott Holland - 2
Table 4
Martin Cubberly - 1
Mike Nudd - 0
Tony Smith - 0
Adrian Deacon - 2
Tom Kassel - 4
Game 3
Table 1
Adam Payne - 0
James Lewis - 0
Lamp - 0
Scott Holland - 2
Tony Smith - 0
Table 2
Andy Brown - 0
Adrian Deacon - 0
Alan Smith - 0
David Hammond - 2
Barney Baker - 3
Table 3
Andy Brown - 4
Daniel Vandenburg- 0
John Barclay - 0
Simon Croome - 0
Table 4
Jackie Eves - 0
Tom Kassel - 3
Mike Nudd - 0
James McLellan - 1
Martin Cubberly - 1
Going into the final, were:
Andy Brown - 0
Tom Kassel - 3
Barney Baker - 1
David Hammond - 1
Scott Holland - 0
Seating order as above, but it changed twice, and I really cannot remember how
things ended up!
Tom Kassel won eventually, in one of the weirdest finals ever! Barny and myself
tussled over voting superiority the whole game (levelling at 7 votes each),
whilst Tom quietly demolished his predator, demolished his prey, and then
rushed as and when he felt like it! Most turns he just hunted or bled (for 1)
until he needed to rush someone, which he did with alarming accuracy. What
larks!
Totals were:
Adam Payne - 0 (VEKN: 3131005)
James Lewis - 0 (VEKN: 1000512)
Simon Croome - 0 (VEKN: 313002)
Lamp - 0.5 (VEKN: 3350010) *
Mike Nudd - 0.5 (VEKN: 3130001)
Alan Smith - 1 (VEKN: 3350015)
Daniel Vandeburg - 1 (VEKN: 3350013) *
Jackie Eves - 1 (VEKN: 3131003)
John Barclay - 1.5 (VEKN: tbc)
Martin Cubberly - 2 (VEKN: 3131006)
Adrian Deacon - 2.5 (VEKN: 3350006) *
Tony Smith - 3 (VEKN: 3131007)
Mark Allen - 4 (96 Tournament Points) (VEKN: 3350014) *
James McLellan - 4 (144 Tournament Points) (VEKN: 3360001)
Scott Holland - 4 (158 Tournament Points) (VEKN: 3350012) *
Andy Brown - 6 (VEKN: 3350011) *
Barny Baker - 7 (VEKN: 1000579)
David Hammond - 11 (VEKN: 1000199)
Tom Kassel - 10 (3350008)
(n.b. * denotes new VEKN signing on the day)
The two special prizes were won by:
Biggest Bleed (by a single minion in a single action) - Barney Baker for a 9
point bleed using Spirodonus
Most Romantically Themed Deck - Adrian Deacon, for his "Hugs and Kisses" deck.
Prizes were a Clan Novel each, kindly provided by White Wolf.
Thanks to all for coming. The next one will be on April 20th (subject to
change) and details will be posted soon. See you there if not before!
Best regards all
David Hammond
Prince of Watford
Tom Kassel
>19 brave Methusulas attended the St.Valentines Day Massacre on the 18th
>February, for what was the most exciting and well attended tourney to date.
>Once again, the venue did us proud, and although it was a long day, everyone
>really seemed to enjoy themelves. It was really good to see a large number of
>new players surface, especially those from out of the area - at least 10 of
the
>19 were new to a Watford tourney, if not to the scene itself (and you are all
>more than welcome back next time, guys!)
>
>
>Play went like this:
>
>Game 2
>
>Table 1
>Jackie Eves - 1
>John Barclay - 1
>Adam Payne - 0
>Lamp - 0
>Scott Holland - 4
>
>Table 2
>James Lewis - 0
>David Hammond - 4
>Mark Allen - 0
>James McLellan - 0
>Andy Brown - 1
>
>Table 3
>Alan Smith - 1
>Daniel Vandenburg- 1
>Simon Croome - 0
>Scott Holland - 2
>
>Table 4
>Martin Cubberly - 1
>Mike Nudd - 0
>Tony Smith - 0
>Adrian Deacon - 2
>Tom Kassel - 4
Actually 2 not 4. Presumably one of the two Scotts in this round was
actually
Barney.
Tom
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wes
"Tom Kassel" <TomK...@MailAndNews.com> wrote
> >Table 1
> >Jackie Eves - 1
> >John Barclay - 1
> >Adam Payne - 0
> >Lamp - 0
> >Scott Holland - 4
>
> >Martin Cubberly - 1
> >Mike Nudd - 0
> >Tony Smith - 0
> >Adrian Deacon - 2
> >Tom Kassel - 4
Is it possible to have more VPs than players seated? I thought that the VPs
always add up to the number of players in the game... or is this a
tournament thing?
Cheers,
WES
Tom Kassel
but
I got 2 VP in that game.
Tom
>Cheers,
>WES
James McClellan
Thanks Dave for a terrific tournament! And congratulations to Tom on his
victory, possibly the first ever by a dedicated and reasonably classical
potence-beats deck in a normal UK tourney. i'm reminded by John Eagles to
remind all of you UK Methuselahs that there is a tournament in Portsmouth on
the first saturday in MArch, which is the 3rd. Hope to see all of you there!
The rare in my prize support was Brujah debate and i spent the drive back
south thinking about how to use it. How can it be good to have your biggest
Brujah tapped? Seems to me you either have to be playing with the Popular
Front for the Liberation of Vampires [all little equal guys] or else you
have
some way of doing stuff while you are tapped - Force of Will which would
focus
the deck on Crusher and Gwendolyn, or maybe Rutor's Hand on the Big guy/gal.
Or maybe your big guy/gal has homunculus or is dedicated to doing 8 million
second traditions when it's NOT your turn - a brujah intercept deck, in
short.
Has anyone ever built a successful deck around this card?
Halcyan 2
>south thinking about how to use it. How can it be good to have your biggest
>Brujah tapped? Seems to me you either have to be playing with the Popular
>Front for the Liberation of Vampires [all little equal guys] or else you
>have
>some way of doing stuff while you are tapped - Force of Will which would
>focus
>the deck on Crusher and Gwendolyn, or maybe Rutor's Hand on the Big guy/gal.
>Or maybe your big guy/gal has homunculus or is dedicated to doing 8 million
>second traditions when it's NOT your turn - a brujah intercept deck, in
>short.
>Has anyone ever built a successful deck around this card?
Great thing about Debate is that it's stackable. All you need is two out (for
+2 strength and 2 manuevers) to gain a decisive edge in combat.
The 2nd Tradition thing you suggested is probably the best idea. Play with a
bunch of Princes and just 2nd Tradition to untap. Unfortunately, there's only 1
Brujah with Protean (Don Cruez).
Instead of 2nd, you can also Wake and Majesty to untap (haha! The Brujah need
to use Majesty!).
Actually, I'd really like to see a deck with Brujah Debate and Animalism (but
only 2 Brujah with Animalism including Don Cruez). How about a deck focused on
Don Cruez. Play several Debates and then use 2nd Tradition, Guard Dogs/Rat's
Warning, and/or Cat's Guidance to keep untapping. So he gets one manuever for
each Debate, and can also gain one for his special...you might as well throw in
a Ruins of Villars Abbey just so you can have 10 optional manuevers or
something...
Halcyan 2
James Hamblin
James McClellan wrote:
>
> The rare in my prize support was Brujah debate and i spent the drive back
> south thinking about how to use it. How can it be good to have your biggest
> Brujah tapped?
Well, here's an (admittedly sketchy) idea: there does exist a type of
Brujah combat deck which uses most/all of the Brujah princes who Rush on
your turn and 2nd tradition to have combat on other people's turns,
too. So your big tapped Brujah (assuming it's a prince) could still use
2nd tradition to block and get into fights.
Hey, I didn't say it was a _good_ idea.
James
--
James Hamblin
ham...@math.wisc.edu
"You seem to think you know it all
Let me tell you something, you can't win."
-- Pat McGee Band
Pat Ricochet
> south thinking about how to use it. How can it be good to have your biggest
> Brujah tapped? Seems to me you either have to be playing with the Popular
> Front for the Liberation of Vampires [all little equal guys] or else you have
> some way of doing stuff while you are tapped - Force of Will which would focus
> the deck on Crusher and Gwendolyn, or maybe Rutor's Hand on the Big guy/gal.
> Or maybe your big guy/gal has homunculus or is dedicated to doing 8 million
> second traditions when it's NOT your turn - a brujah intercept deck, in short.
> Has anyone ever built a successful deck around this card?
Actually, yes, but as people have said, the key trick is the total lack
of the word "Unique." The original title of the deck was "Brujah Debates
Stack," but I changed the name after BJ Campbell called it the "Brujah
Filibuster" (i.e., the debate that never ends; don't know if that just the
U.S. Senate that has that or if we also borrowed THAT from English
politics.)
Created a long time ago by a version of the ELDB that didn't sort out
the cards by master and minion, and the latest version seems to crap out on
resaving or saving as text/html. Sorry for it's illegibility.
Deck name: Brujah Filibuster
Created by: Patrick OShea
Description: Prince/Justicar Brujah make babies and Minon Tap/5th to have
pool and lots of Brujah. Stacking Brujah Debates makes even the babies
tough. 2nd tradition allows the tapped largest capacity Brujah to protect
the Debates.
Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 14, Max: 37, Avg: 6.69]
1 Angel (Lasombra, 9, do OT PO pr, Archbishop)
2 Constanza Vinti (Brujah, 8, CE DO PO, Prince)
1 Don Cruez, The Idealist (Brujah, 10, an CE do PO PR pt, Justicar)
2 Donal O'Connor (Brujah, 8, CE DO PO, Prince)
1 Lupo (Brujah, 2, po)
2 Rake (Brujah, 6, au ce po PR, Prince)
1 Vasilis, The Traitor of Don Cruez (Brujah, 2, pr)
2 Volker, The Puppet Prince (Brujah, 5, CE po, Prince)
Library: (90 cards)
1 Ambush
1 Archon
1 Banishment
5 Bewitching Oration
4 Blood Doll
5 Brujah Debate
1 Brujah Justicar
1 Bum's Rush
1 Burning Wrath
1 Closed Session
1 Command of the Harpies
2 Consanguineous Boon
1 Conservative Agitation
3 Fifth Tradition: Hospitality, The
3 Forced Awakening
6 Immortal Grapple
1 Ivory Bow
1 Judgment: Camarilla Segregation
1 Kindred Restructure
1 Kindred Segregation
1 Legacy of Power
2 Legal Manipulations
1 Media Influence
1 Parity Shift
2 Parthenon, The
1 Peace Treaty
3 Potence
1 Praxis Seizure: Chicago
1 Praxis Seizure: Dallas
3 Presence
1 Propaganda
1 Rack, The
1 Rampage
2 Rumors of Gehenna
7 Second Tradition: Domain
2 Sideslip
6 Taste of Vitae
6 Third Tradition: Progeny, The
1 Tribute to the Master
1 Triole's Revenge
2 Undead Strength
2 Voter Captivation
1 Warzone Hunting Ground
Wow. What an old deck. I wonder how it would do these days. I'd
probably drop it to 80 cards, killing thigs like the Propoganda and the
Command of the Harpies, and reluctantly lose the Triole's Revenge.
However, it DID do well most every game. One I kept for many months
before dismantling, and got many a VP with it.
--
Pat Ricochet
Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta
Duncan Campbell
> The rare in my prize support was Brujah debate and i spent the drive back
> south thinking about how to use it. How can it be good to have your biggest
> Brujah tapped? Seems to me you either have to be playing with the Popular
> Front for the Liberation of Vampires [all little equal guys] or else you
> have
> some way of doing stuff while you are tapped - Force of Will which would
> focus
> the deck on Crusher and Gwendolyn, or maybe Rutor's Hand on the Big guy/gal.
> Or maybe your big guy/gal has homunculus or is dedicated to doing 8 million
> second traditions when it's NOT your turn - a brujah intercept deck, in
> short.
> Has anyone ever built a successful deck around this card?
My deck with Rutor's Hand on either Gwendolyn or Anvil worked well. The
advantage being that the Hand stays around even if your Debate(s) get burned.
Duncan Campbell
"I am not on a wire, I am flying."