"Type" Questions (was Re: Types for allies and retainers)
Halcyan 2
Jyhad/VTES the CCG is different from the World of Darkness RPG's and 2. I know
that some things are done to make them simply and easier to understand.
>With Final Nights, we've started referring to some allies and retainers by
>type.
First of all let me aplaud you and White Wolf for this! I think this is a great
way to bring structure and organize the cards that are already out as well as
to provide a springboard for future ideas. And it also helps add more elements
of the World of Darkness to the flavor of the game by fleshing out the cards
more.
A few questions though:
#1. Is "type" an official term or is it more of a slang/conceptual idea?
#2. Can an ally/retainer have more than one type? (From the classification of
Hell Hound, who IMHO should be both a "Ghoul" and "Animal," since it's a
ghouled dog, I'm guessing no). But I'd still like an official ruling. While I'm
not going to argue how techincally (taxonomically) all these "mortals" are
actually "animals" (kingdom phylum class order family genus species), the World
of Darkness has always seemed to emphasize that all the Mages are mortals.
#3. Are there sub-types? In particular, I'm thinking about the Bane Mummies.
There are 5 Mummies right now and 4 of them are "Bane Mummies." But exactly
what is a "Bane Mummy?" A sub-type?
Some comments:
With the classification for Mummies, Werewolves, Mages, Wraiths, and
Changelings, I am a bit disappointed that there is no "Hunters" category (for
the Imbued). I'm no fan of Hunter: The Reckoning myself (it's a Buffy-wannabe
twinkfest IMO) but I think it would be more consistent to include them. Of
course it might confuse people since not all hunters are Hunters (Imbued) but I
got the impression that at the very least, Wendell Delburton is one (the regen
ability really makes him seem supernatural). BTW: Is there any canonical info
on Wendell?
>Mage - Talaq the Immortal (ally)
Is Talaq (in the RPG) really a Mage? I heard something weird about him being an
ex-Assamite or something...
>Mortal - Political Ally (ally)
>Mortal - Political Antagonist (ally)
Shouldn't snakes be classified under "Animal?" Or maybe a new category called
"Amorph" to define the spineless slimes they are! =)
>* Camarilla Vitae Slave (retainer)
Cammie lackey? Cam thrall?
>* Homunculus (retainer)
Magical construct?
So once again, well done LSJ and friends! =)
Halcyan 2
LSJ
>#1. Is "type" an official term or is it more of a slang/conceptual idea?
It's as official as any other card text.
"Weapon" is officially a type of equipment.
"Werewolf" is officially a type of ally.
>#2. Can an ally/retainer have more than one type? (From the classification of
>Hell Hound, who IMHO should be both a "Ghoul" and "Animal," since it's a
>ghouled dog, I'm guessing no). But I'd still like an official ruling. While
I'm
>not going to argue how techincally (taxonomically) all these "mortals" are
>actually "animals" (kingdom phylum class order family genus species), the
World
>of Darkness has always seemed to emphasize that all the Mages are mortals.
Some equipment are both "guns" and "weapons", so multi-typing is
certainly possible. None of the current allies/retainers are
multi-typed, however.
>#3. Are there sub-types? In particular, I'm thinking about the Bane Mummies.
>There are 5 Mummies right now and 4 of them are "Bane Mummies." But exactly
>what is a "Bane Mummy?" A sub-type?
A designation of a card's title. And a type.
Like all guns are weapons, all bane mummies are mummies.
>BTW: Is there any canonical info
>on Wendell?
He is referenced in Hunter: Avengers
>>Mage - Talaq the Immortal (ally)
>
>Is Talaq (in the RPG) really a Mage? I heard something weird about him being
an
>ex-Assamite or something...
If you have a source, pass it along. Thanks.
>>* Homunculus (retainer)
>
>Magical construct?
It isn't magical (it's protean).
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The Nosferatu Stuff
> >
> >Magical construct?
>
> It isn't magical (it's protean).
Actually, so far as I know, Homunculi are only created by the Tremere. Is
there any reference to them and Gangrel/Protean anywhere?
"Soul of the Homunculi" is a 4th level Tremere ritual.
(I'm not the gangrel expert so just point me in the right direction)
Aaron
LSJ
=====
It's a 7th level Protean ability.
By pulling some flesh from the back of her mouth, the vampire may summon a
three-inch-tall copy of herself, which has a personality that is a warped
version of her own. This creature lacks disciplines, will die if it runs out
of blood or suffers two levels of aggravated wounds, burns one blood point
per
hour, and may hold three blood points at a time.
The reference cited is (VC41), whatever that is.
The Nosferatu Stuff
"LSJ" <vte...@MailAndNews.com> wrote in message
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> >===== Original Message From "The Nosferatu Stuff" <roans...@yahoo.com>
> =====
> >> >>* Homunculus (retainer)
> >> >
> >> >Magical construct?
> >>
> >> It isn't magical (it's protean).
> >
> >Actually, so far as I know, Homunculi are only created by the Tremere.
Is
> >there any reference to them and Gangrel/Protean anywhere?
> >"Soul of the Homunculi" is a 4th level Tremere ritual.
> >(I'm not the gangrel expert so just point me in the right direction)
> >
> >Aaron
> >
>
> It's a 7th level Protean ability.
>
> By pulling some flesh from the back of her mouth, the vampire may summon a
> three-inch-tall copy of herself, which has a personality that is a warped
> version of her own. This creature lacks disciplines, will die if it runs
out
> of blood or suffers two levels of aggravated wounds, burns one blood point
> per
> hour, and may hold three blood points at a time.
>
> The reference cited is (VC41), whatever that is.
Will wonders never cease.
Who sits around and invents this crap? "Then the vampire pulls out his
eyes...yeah, and he...Then he plugs staplers into the sockets of his face
and he can control office equipment!" "Cool, lets make that 8th level
Dominate!" "no way, it's serpentis, totally serpentis...call it
'Occupational Barbarism'"
3 inch copy of yourself...from the back of your throat....sheesh.
Aaron
PS thanks for the info though, I would have never figured out how that
happened. Picture makes mucho sense now also.
Halcyan 2
>>
>>Is Talaq (in the RPG) really a Mage? I heard something weird about him being
>
>an
>>ex-Assamite or something...
>
>If you have a source, pass it along. Thanks.
I don't have a source myself, but I remember a while ago on this newsgroup we
were discussing the backgrounds of various cards and someone mentioned how
Talaq was originally an Assamite and somehow became mortal or something. It's
quite possible that whoever said it was wrong though. I'll have to search the
archives sometime.
>>>* Homunculus (retainer)
>>
>>Magical construct?
>
>It isn't magical (it's protean).
As Aaron pointed out, Homonculi are supposed to be created in a special ritual.
I know for certain they're discussed in the "minions" section in the original
Tremere Clanbook (along with Corpse Minions) and I'm pretty sure they're
discussed briefly in the new Clanbook (there's supposed some discrepancy in the
level for the ritual in the two books or something).
It's just that "Homonculus" is *supposed* to be a thaumaturgical magic thingy.
Just like "Wake with Evening's Freshness" is *supposed* to be a thaumaturgical
ritual. And "Eternal Vigilance" is *supposed* to be a high-level Fortitude
power. But then again, what is ever the way it's *supposed* to be? =)
Halcyan 2
Wes
"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote
> >>>Mage - Talaq the Immortal (ally)
> >>
> >>Is Talaq (in the RPG) really a Mage? I heard something weird about him
being
> >
> >an
> >>ex-Assamite or something...
> >
> >If you have a source, pass it along. Thanks.
>
> I don't have a source myself, but I remember a while ago on this newsgroup
we
> were discussing the backgrounds of various cards and someone mentioned how
> Talaq was originally an Assamite and somehow became mortal or something.
It's
> quite possible that whoever said it was wrong though. I'll have to search
the
> archives sometime.
I believe you'll find Talaq in the original 'World of Darkness'
supplement... it's quite old, circa the original 'Chicago by Night'.
Cheers,
WES
Dave Tait
> >>>Mage - Talaq the Immortal (ally)
> >>
> >>Is Talaq (in the RPG) really a Mage? I heard something weird about him being
> >
> >an
> >>ex-Assamite or something...
> >
> >If you have a source, pass it along. Thanks.
>
> I don't have a source myself, but I remember a while ago on this newsgroup we
> were discussing the backgrounds of various cards and someone mentioned how
> Talaq was originally an Assamite and somehow became mortal or something. It's
> quite possible that whoever said it was wrong though. I'll have to search the
> archives sometime.
>
then made into a non-vampiric immortal with access to all of his
disciplines. I'm pretty certain that it was Mages what done it to 'im
though, although he never became a Mage per se, he was rather unique
and so uncategorisable. According to CBRev: Assamite, Ur-shulgi killed
him, or orchestrated his death.
evil_p...@moc.yahoo.com
<roans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>eyes...yeah, and he...Then he plugs staplers into the sockets of his face
>and he can control office equipment!" "Cool, lets make that 8th level
>Dominate!" "no way, it's serpentis, totally serpentis...call it
>'Occupational Barbarism'"
Heh...or "Cube Mastery"
Matt Latham
> Who sits around and invents this crap? "Then the vampire pulls out his
> eyes...yeah, and he...Then he plugs staplers into the sockets of his face
> and he can control office equipment!" "Cool, lets make that 8th level
> Dominate!" "no way, it's serpentis, totally serpentis...call it
> 'Occupational Barbarism'"
> 3 inch copy of yourself...from the back of your throat....sheesh.>
This from the same group that brought us... "Well, we could pluck out our eye
and cut off our hand. Then we glue the eye to the hand and animate it with
Magic... yea... that sounds good" (Rutors Hand)
Matt