Results of November Portsmouth tournament
legb...@my-deja.com
on show. Rob's hostile Ventrues won, JUST ahead of Will's Allies deck.
i'll post Rob's deck once he faxes it to me, but meanwhile, here are the
updated UK player ratings taking this tournament into account.
VTES/JYHAD UK PLAYER DCI RATINGS NOVEMBER 99
Rob Treasure DCI number 1106257 rating 3363 [20 games]
William Lee DCI number 1104755 rating 3177 [15 games]
Legbiter [James McClellan] DCI number 1103006 rating 3117 [22 games]
Niki Sehmi DCI number 1080065 rating 3104 [10 games]
Pierre Rebstock DCI number 1106157 rating 3079 [15 games]
Steve Cantlow DCI number 1103330 rating 3064 [8 games]
Lunar Moon [Rebecca Ixer] DCI number 1106260 rating 3049 [4 games]
Jon Cooper DCI number 1106256 rating 3038 [19 games]
Andy Smith rating 3036 [4 games]
Andrew Bond DCI number 1104814 rating 2997 [3 games]
Sid Sidhu DCI number 1080012 rating 2996 [7 games]
Anklebiter [Michael McClellan] DCI number 1132385 rating 2991 [11 games]
James Coupe DCI number 1103322 rating 2968 [11 games]
Adam Lewis DCI number 1106154 rating 2962 [3 games]
James Wilson DCI number 1080063 rating 2945 [3 games]
Mike Nudd DCI number 117797 rating 2876[9 games]
Nathan Hanley DCI number 1132388 rating 2951[6 games]
John Lee Barber DCI number 1106267 rating 2927 [6 games]
Baz Dove 2923 rating 2923 [3 games]
Chris Booth 2923 [3 games]
Garry Scarlett DCI number 1106152 rating 2915 [12 games]
Steve Wright rating 2912 [3 games]
Ian Stubbington DCI number 1132411 rating 2904 [15 games]
Andrew Cobb DCI number 1132388 rating 2903 [9 games]
Gareth Holman DCI number 1132374 rating 2897 [3 games]
Matt Green DCI number 270879 rating 2885 [16 games]
Mark Baxter DCI number 1103348 rating 2874 [6 games]
Robert Shread DCI number 1106258 rating 2874 [6 games]
Alex Hughes DCI number 1106159 rating 2861 [16 games]
Patrick Vance DCI number 1106269 rating 2803 [12 games]
Anam Sheader DCI number 1132386 rating 2780 [15 games]
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legb...@my-deja.com
James Coupe
>
And in October, I was:
James Coupe DCI number 1103322 rating 3046 [8 games]
And I didn't play in October or September... ahs something gone wrong with
these ratings?
--
James Coupe
legb...@my-deja.com
back to May or so. It stayed static for the ones you didn't play in. It
went down this month because you got 1VP from 3 games [8 + 3 = 11] - you
would have needed just over 3 to roughly stay where you were. In December
when you win it will go skyrocketing right back up again. i've got all
the calculations however so if you or anyone think i've short changed you
we can go over the figures together and i'll correct any mistakes i've
made.
angel
due to my confinment :) i won't be getting to any games in a hurry.
anam
James Coupe
> No, i think they're ok. Your rating in October counted tournaments right
> back to May or so. It stayed static for the ones you didn't play in. It
> went down this month because you got 1VP from 3 games [8 + 3 = 11] - you
> would have needed just over 3 to roughly stay where you were. In December
> when you win it will go skyrocketing right back up again. i've got all
> the calculations however so if you or anyone think i've short changed you
> we can go over the figures together and i'll correct any mistakes i've
> made.
Hmm... I assumed my October rating covered me up to October, and then
wondered why I'd suddenly gone to 11 games from 8. However, if it hadn't
included July and August that would explain it.
--
James Coupe
James Coupe
> any body feel like telling me how it went ?
> due to my confinment :) i won't be getting to any games in a hurry.
A lot of fun, although my third game was fairly stagnant.
Sid brought out Arika *twice* and got her burned, twice which was fun.
Nathan (I think) was using Spirit Summoning Chamber quite nicely, though
that meant using !Tre which is always a problem.
A few nice decks on view, but I didn't get to see many of them and
couldn't stay for the final. :(
--
James Coupe
legb...@my-deja.com
Here’s the deck that Rob Treasure won the November Portsmouth Tournament
with, together with his comments, both on the deck and the tournament.
2 Arika
1 Emerson Bridges
1 Ingrid Russo
1 Juan Cali
1 Lena Rowe
1 Queen Anne
2 Ranjan Rishi
1 Roland Loussarion
1 Sir Walter Nash
1 Vanessa
2 Banishment
1 Blood Doll
2 Bonding
1 Changeling Skin Mask
3 Conditioning
1 Daring the Dawn
1 Day Operation
4 Deflection
1 Direct intervention
1 dreams of the Sphinx
1 Elysium: The Arboretum
2 Fifth Tradition: Hospitality
2 Forced Awakening
1 Foreshadowing Destruction
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
1 Fortitude
2 Freak Drive
1 Giant’s Blood
3 Govern the Unaligned
5 Hostile Takeover
1 Humanitas
2 Lost in Crowds
7 majesty
1 media Influence
2 Minion Tap
1 Mr Winthrop
2 Obfuscate
1 Parity Shift
4 Resilience
2 Restoration
2 Revelations
2 Rolling with the Punches
1 Rumor Mill
3 Rumours of Gehenna
1 Second Tradition: Domain
1 Secure Haven
2 Seduction
4 Skin of Steel
1 Sudden reversal
3 Superior Mettle
2 Unflinching Persistence
1 Ventrue Headquarters
1 Ventrue Justicar
4 WWEF
Rob’s Comments:
"I wanted to try to show that my old faves can still rock and roll in a
tournament arena. The deck harps back to the Ventrue Steamroller deck of
GenCon97 with revisions for the 7/7 rulings which DID NOT help the
Ventrue [Pulled Fangs, Fame/Day Op, Tomb etc etc] needed to be done
however.
It fits in most of the "Classic Cards" as well as a slice of obfuscate in
place of the multitude of Day Ops. The value of Master phases/cards are
realised as they are laid down 2 at a time – no one can deny the
effectiveness of a double Hostile in the right hands. Might take out the
revelations, they are useful to get rid of intercept, wakes or power
cards but more Daring the Dawn or Hostiles would be more useful. I like
the crypt, obviously powervamp Arika and Queen Anne are the mainstay but
either of the other princes with an obf skill card can kick ass. Lady
Luck can boot you in the nuts with your draw of four but as long as one
of the biggies come out you are ok.
The deck has very little intercept. I tend to save the 2nd Trads and the
Rumor Mill for emergencies and rely on Hostiles, Banishments, Deflections
and agitation as "offensive defense". It has a lot of powerful one-shot
plays, biding your time, slotting together a good hand and playing it
well can take out two or cripple three players in a turn. The deck is all
about laying low and balancing tables then pouncing when you are very
sure or taking a calculated risk [my kind of deck].
I was impressed with [and scared by!] a couple of decks at the tourney.
Niki’s Trap/Undead Persistence deck was cool, I liked the obvious but
overlooked inclusion of superior Dom. Will’s horrible allies blender deck
is great, the hurt comes from an unexpected source and the sheer numbers
are hard to handle. 19 players. Could be wrong but no Malk. S&B decks, F*
***** Hooray."
He’s not wrong about the lack of cheese. Only one tap and bleed deck,
too! It was also good to see Nathan's !Tre combat deck and Garry's big
blokes doing well.
legb...@my-deja.com
Boon, but otherwise did ok. i got to the final through getting 4/5 points
in 1 game, and i was a bit lucky - Matt and Niki were playing VERY
similar decks and more or less contested each other to death. But i would
still have been munched by Alex were it not for a nice bit of combat and
a MOST timely Kindred Restructure/KRC. In the final i was VERY close to
getting Will out - a Parity Shift or CA would have done it. As it was, i
was Rob's second victim - unblockable bleed through Seduction of Selma.
Will got Pierre and Jon, and then lost when he didn't take 2 pool for
Horatio and was unblockably bled for 4. Michael played the HF !Toreador
deck as an experiment and the result [0 VP] indicates that it probably
isn't tournament competitive. On the other hand it is possible that he
didn't make the best possible use of it.
Fish Flowers
> Nathan (I think) was using Spirit Summoning Chamber quite nicely, though
> that meant using !Tre which is always a problem.
Quick question: why is this a problem? If you're using Tremere anyway
(which most people seem to dislike in a tournament setting), I've always
thought that !Tre were quite handy. Reverend Blackwood, for instance,
rocks on toast with high-damage THA cards, and Bryan van Duesen and Kurt
Strauss always struck me as good, solid vamps.
And the Succubus and Nephandus allies are just badass.
Fish.
Derek S. Ray
<awfl...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, James Coupe wrote:
>
>> Nathan (I think) was using Spirit Summoning Chamber quite nicely, though
>> that meant using !Tre which is always a problem.
>
>Quick question: why is this a problem? If you're using Tremere anyway
>(which most people seem to dislike in a tournament setting), I've always
>thought that !Tre were quite handy. Reverend Blackwood, for instance,
>rocks on toast with high-damage THA cards, and Bryan van Duesen and Kurt
>Strauss always struck me as good, solid vamps.
From 6 up, all the !Tre are pretty solid - superior DOM and THA on all
of them. Bryan's +1 bleed, etc. The problem is, they're 6 and up.
You can't get many of those out fast, and you can't rely on getting
your 8-cap out first and Governing the 7 and 6-caps out for you.
I've only seen the Reverend use his +1 damage with Walk of Flame
though. Tremere spend a lot of blood off themselves what with cards
and all, and the temptation to use Theft of Vitae/Blood Doll is just
too much to resist, usually - and with Theft, the Reverend's bonus is
useless. He can play Blood Rage as a free Blood Fury (since 3 damage
for free is nothing to sneeze at), but that requires close range,
which might get you IG'd, Entombed, Coma'd, smacked for lots, or
otherwise annoyingly inconvenienced. (Although Bonecraft is something
the Tremere sneer at. :)
From 2 to 5, though, you get nothing but inferior THA - and inferior
THA is really not much of a combat threat unless you're using Walk of
Flame and/or Burst of Sunlight, both of which are kind of difficult to
get off. Kurt makes a good one to leave untapped and bounce, bounce,
bounce, and also a good Govern+Bonding threat, but if your opponent
has a way to catch someone, it'll be Kurt they wait for.
The Tremere are much more powerful in this respect - they have Blythe,
Sarah, and Merrill, all with THA, two of whom come with inferior DOM.
Much cheaper cost for the same sort of bruisy-bleedy effect (12 pool
spent, heavy combat threat, solid bleed threat, 3 actions) as opposed
to Kurt, Reverend, and Bryan (18 pool spent for more bleed and less
THA.)
>And the Succubus and Nephandus allies are just badass.
Yep. A deck with 2 each of blythe, jing wei, sarah, merrill, kurt,
and the Rev wouldn't do badly - enough !Tre to lob a couple of their
allies in, enough cheap vamps with THA to be a combat threat, enough
guys with DOM to be a bleed threat, add 2-3 skill cards for each
discipline and you're in good shape. But the !Tre alone are just too
reliant on their big guys.
-- Derek
PEACE, n. In international affairs, a period of cheating
between two periods of fighting.
James Coupe
> Michael played the HF !Toreador
> deck as an experiment and the result [0 VP] indicates that it probably
> isn't tournament competitive. On the other hand it is possible that he
> didn't make the best possible use of it.
Whilst it certainly doesn't preclude the possibility of it being
non-tournament competitive, I would say that in the first game, he was not
playing the deck properly. Whilst we did all game up on Sid in order to
stop the Arika Tomb Golconda Dreams monster rolling the table, I felt that
he didn't do enough early on in the game. He sat there quite a few turns
(annoying me a little, since it meant all his vampires were untapped)
without doing very much, when it might have been advantageous to do a few
actions, especially in the turn before Jon Cooper get Wynn out, but
Michael had at least 1 vampire - a swift 1 point bleed would probably have
been a Good Thing. It felt like it was played, at all times, a little too
conservatively, like Rob Shred would often play his weenie bleed decks -
amassing laptops and leather jackets, but then not actually doing what it
needed to do i.e. oust its prey.
--
James Coupe
James Coupe
> On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, James Coupe wrote:
>
> > Nathan (I think) was using Spirit Summoning Chamber quite nicely, though
> > that meant using !Tre which is always a problem.
>
> Quick question: why is this a problem?
Because the Tremere and the !Tremere are notoriously difficult to play.
> If you're using Tremere anyway
> (which most people seem to dislike in a tournament setting), I've always
> thought that !Tre were quite handy. Reverend Blackwood, for instance,
> rocks on toast with high-damage THA cards,
Such as? The various Blood Rage ones never seem to get an outing, and the
others (e.g. Walk of Flame, Cauldron of Blood) require quite a lot of
pressing ability, and hoping you don't get killed by S:CE.
> And the Succubus and Nephandus allies are just badass.
Usable, perhaps, and in the right deck, OK. Will Lee had a good outing
with decks based around them. However, if the idea is to have a !Tre
deck, and then you just drop a few of these in on their own, it's not
quite so good. Memories of Mortality would be a nice card to have around
them, but in a straight !Tre deck, you're unlikely to have it. In an
allies deck, less likely.
--
James Coupe
ne...@doughty-engineering.co.uk
>
>DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT WOULD HAVE ALL GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE......
legb...@my-deja.com
ne...@doughty-engineering.co.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:50:30 GMT, legb...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >
> >DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT WOULD HAVE ALL GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE......
Please sir please sir it was Steve who said that. Smite him within an
inch of his unlife sir o please sir you no you want to.
Actually a lot of the damage and the coup de grace came from Hostiles. So
i'd like to suggest that SUDDEN, SUDDEN, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT
WOULD ALL HAVE GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE is what Steve REALLY meant to say.
ne...@doughty-engineering.co.uk
>In article <382ffe27...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> ne...@doughty-engineering.co.uk wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:50:30 GMT, legb...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT WOULD HAVE ALL GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE......
>
>Please sir please sir it was Steve who said that. Smite him within an
>inch of his unlife sir o please sir you no you want to.
>
>Actually a lot of the damage and the coup de grace came from Hostiles. So
>i'd like to suggest that SUDDEN, SUDDEN, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT
>WOULD ALL HAVE GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE is what Steve REALLY meant to say.
>> >
I have just got back from holiday and have just read the new mails,
and I must aggre, very well put. Will you all be at the Tourney at the
weekend ??
legb...@my-deja.com
ne...@doughty-engineering.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:37:09 GMT, legb...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> >In article <382ffe27...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> > ne...@doughty-engineering.co.uk wrote:
> >> On Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:50:30 GMT, legb...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT WOULD HAVE ALL GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE......
> >
> >Please sir please sir it was Steve who said that. Smite him within an
> >inch of his unlife sir o please sir you no you want to.
> >
> >Actually a lot of the damage and the coup de grace came from Hostiles. So
> >i'd like to suggest that SUDDEN, SUDDEN, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION AND IT
> >WOULD ALL HAVE GONE WRONG YOU SLEAZE is what Steve REALLY meant to say.
> >> >
>
> I have just got back from holiday and have just read the new mails,
> and I must aggre, very well put. Will you all be at the Tourney at the
> weekend ??
Is Rob a Sleaze-Merchant? Is the Bear a Catholic? Does a Pope Shit in the
Woods? You betcha. And i hope we'll have the pleasure of your good
company too? Got a RAFT of different decks to pick from for Saturday.
Undoubtedly this means i will pick the wrong one and get walloped, but i
don't care.